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Sentiment, TM -- sentiment for someone very close whose dedication to this exceeded any ten freepers in your Catholic Forum, and yet despite that, he died not with Jesus' name on his lips but Mary's, calling out to her to receive his soul. It is a memento that I keep in his communion container, a perpetual reminder of the many conversational arguments that we had over whether it was bread or flesh. It is a remembrance of a man dedicated to something that turned out NOT to be what he trusted in for his salvation. It is a memorial of a man who thought that he did not need the Word of God in his heart because he had the body blood, soul and divinity of God in his stomach. It is a memory ---

And now you want me to relinquish my memento --- is that the Catholic definition of a "gift" --- a present with strings attached == the Church giveth and the Church taketh back. Nowhere was there written on it any disclaimer that if it was not eaten, it had to be returned or if it turned into stale bread, it had to be brought back.

That little piece of wheat wafer is being what it was grown, ground, and manufactured to be -- a simple piece of bread now turned stale. No consecration or magic words changed that. Despite all the pressure in the Church to try to be what it is not, it is now and has been free to be what God intended it to be -- a remembrance, a memorial, a piece of bread that brings back memories, some good, some bad.

Now TM, to you. Your CF has called me a liar -- that 's fine. Now prove it. I dare you or any of your forum to step up to the plate and prove that Woodkirk is a liar. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 says: "PROVE ALL THINGS". An accusation has been made -- prove it. Go to Mass, pick up a host and test it. Prove to yourself and others that the host is the flesh of God, or better yet, the more simpler task, prove that there is no bread in it after its consecration. It is easy to do -- I dare you to prove what your church claims to be true or false. It is provable -- do it.

In the meantime I will continue to treasure my little piece of stale bread as a remembrance of one who died. And the next time that some poor soul posts another feloniously offensive story of the Miraculous Eucharist of Lanciano that bleeds all over the plate, I trust that you will remember Woodkirk's Wheat Wafer -- the real substance behind the magisterium' ludicrous claims. If you doubt it, prove me wrong -- I challenge you.

Your CF has called me a liar -- that 's fine. Now prove it.

I have called you a liar because I don't believe for one minute that you have any consecrated hosts in a "container."

It's up to you to prove that you do. It's also up to you to prove that some weirdo friend of yours didn't steal unconsecrated hosts from the sacristy of a Catholic Church.

I know where they are in my church, and I could grab a handful on any Saturday that I lector.

I don't believe you, and will never believe you.

You're trying to change the subject by arguing the Real Presence. I challenge you to prove you have the physical matter at all.