Would G-d approve of Pot Smokers? if the law of the land deemed Marijuana use legal.

Christians for Cannabis

[missyme]

11/28/2002: "Letters: Where in the Bible does it state that marijuana use is prohibited?" To be honest with you, there is no place in the Bible that prohibits the use of cannabis. We are warned against drunkenness, but to drink in moderation is not prohibited. In fact, many would say, as a seed bearing plant, cannabis was created on the third day and given to man for use on the sixth, with no stipulations as to how to use it.

Unfortunately, in reference to cannabis or marijuana as you refer to it here, the church is filled with apathy and ignorance, quoting scripture that simply does not apply in support of ideology that can not be justified biblically. While it is true that we are told to obey our leaders, it is also said in Isaiah "Woe to those who make unjust laws and issue oppressive decrees". Christians do not realize that we bear responsiblity for these laws being in existence and share in those woes. They do not see that making laws that criminalize something that God does not condemn is actually plotting harm against our neighbor, which we are explicitly told not to do, Proverbs 3:29

I confess, I have no clue as to how the body of Christ has been deceived into getting on the war on drugs bandwagon. On every other issue we have viewed government information and motivation with a critical eye. Not this one. Jesus told us to visit people in prison, not to put them there, Matthew 25:31-46. Paul told us that the rules of "hold not, taste not and touch not" were destined to perish with use because they were based on human teachings and only had the appearance of wisdom, Colossians 2:20-23. Yet we have charged on, not even bothering to see if our position is scripturally valid or is something we can say we are doing in the name of Jesus.

There are a number of denominations that are recognizing that the laws that prohibit and criminalize cannabis use and other illicit substances, really does cause more harm than good. And this is only by earthly accounts. The active and unanimous Christian support of these laws have have caused more eternal harm than can be believed.

Hopefully soon we will all wake up and remember the second greatest commandment, Love your neighbor as yourself, Matthew 22:34-30, and that love does no harm to its neighbor, Romans 13:10 and we will just as actively and unanimously end our support of the war on drugs, an unholy war on people.

[DouglasKC]

What is the purpose of smoking pot?

[missyme]

What is the purpose of using Zoloft, Tylenol, Valuim,Wine Penicillin, and a host of other plant based herbs and meds? they all can be harmful if used in an un-safe manner.

I just believe Pot smokers can be loving christians, by no means do I think harmful illict drugs should be used.

[xzins]

Hi, missy. Been out pulling on your bong again, I see?

Now I understand all those other threads.

Yeah, girl, God wants you blasted out of your gourd...his design for the world, donchaknow.

[missyme]

hahaha, I thought you would say that. As a matter of fact I have been moving, so what is your big deal with Pot??? no I have not been using my bong... you so funny...

[xzins]

Grow up.

Does your mother know you're still up?

[missyme]

Your the one who us getting so bent out of shape over this.
and just because you have some crazy idea that I am some big Pot Head! is like me assuming your some Big Drunk?

I am a christian and I suppose you are too, and my threads are not done with being stoned in mind, contrary to your belief, and let's not all be a bunch of hipocrite christians.

[missyme]

Your the one who us getting so bent out of shape over this.
and just because you have some crazy idea that I am some big Pot Head! is like me assuming your some Big Drunk?

I am a christian and I suppose you are too, and my threads are not done with being stoned in mind, contrary to your belief, and let's not all be a bunch of hipocrite christians.

[missyme]

Your the one who us getting so bent out of shape over this.
and just because you have some crazy idea that I am some big Pot Head! is like me assuming your some Big Drunk?

I am a christian and I suppose you are too, and my threads are not done with being stoned in mind, contrary to your belief, and let's not all be a bunch of hipocrite christians.

[DouglasKC]

I just believe Pot smokers can be loving christians, by no means do I think harmful illict drugs should be used.

As a former heavy pot smoker I found that smoking pot or otherwise drugging my body on a regular basis was incompatible with spirituality. I will admit that I felt VERY spiritual...or what I though spirituality was supposed to feel like. I felt very loving, but it usually dissipated quickly after I wasn't buzzed. So I felt the need to smoke more.

It took a long time to recogize that this wasn't true spirituality...it was a counterfeit. I sincerely hope your experience is different than mine and that God blesses you with his spirit.

[missyme]

How assuming of you that you think I am some big Pot Head posting threads stoned out of my gourd as you so eloquently
put it. That would be like me assuming your half looped from booze posting on FR.

You have always been nice, but I guess Marijuana just eats at your soul, that you must want to say things that put me down, not very christian of you? you want to know how much I smoke Marijuana or even if I do you should ask instead of assuming.

[xzins]

triple post and then a post that repeats the points of the triple post....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[missyme]

I think addiction of any kind would be something G-d would not want for any of us and I am happy that you have found sobriety, which enables you to know and worship G-d more faithfully, but I cannot say that people that I know who use Marijuana on an occassional basis are less committed to G-d because they use pot.

[missyme]

Sorry about that, my computer is acting up? how did I know that you think just what you are thinking, maybe I drank a 5th of Jack Daniels YUK! xzins I am not a stoner as you think I am..

[DouglasKC]

but I cannot say that people that I know who use Marijuana on an occassional basis are less committed to G-d because they use pot.

The danger I see from pot is the counterfeiting and intensification of that "loving" feeling. It is spiritually damaging no matter how often it's smoked...or at least that was my subjective experience.

[jude24]

but I cannot say that people that I know who use Marijuana on an occassional basis are less committed to G-d because they use pot.

Except that they buy illegal substances.

Maybe if marijuana were legal, then its use might be permissible. I don't know -- but it doesn't matter. It's NOT legal, nor is it likely to be that way any time soon. And that's reason enough why the Christian should not touch the stuff. It doesn't honor the governing authorities. They derive their authority from God himself; he who disobeys them disobeys God. Paul could write that in Rom. 13 about Nero, who could not by any stretch of the imagination be considered a just ruler -- surely the American government hasn't even come close to the level of Nero.

If we assumed that marijuana were legalized, I would argue, however, that getting stoned on pot is analogous to getting drunk with alcohol. I have no problem with drinking in moderation. But drunkeness is explicitly forbidden to the Christian. Unless you can tell me that you can have an unaltered level of consciousness when smoking pot, I would consider it the moral equivalent to getting drunk.

[missyme]

And you cannot say that about Wine or Beer drinkers?

[missyme]

Medical Marijuana is legal as well as the decriminilization of pot for individual use. Alaska has changed there laws as well as other states. I know alot of Christians who also have and do drive under the influence of alcohol, unfortunately I think alcohol causes more deviant behavior in our society that Pot can or ever will.

[DouglasKC]

And you cannot say that about Wine or Beer drinkers?

It's true to a certain extent. The difference I see is that pot plays with your head more. For example, a drinker doesn't have any illusions that he's becoming more spiritual from drinking. He might think that he's becoming more confident, more funny, more charming or whatnot, but not more spiritual. A pot smoker generally thinks they have become "enlightened" to the true reality. They tend to see "reality" as a shadow of the "higher" reality that they experience on drugs. That's why it's called getting high.

[P-Marlowe]

Hey if you think Pot Smoking is compatible with following Christ, then that is between you and God.

1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Now if you can smoke pot without being brought under the power of the Pot, then I would have to wonder why it is that you would want to smoke it. Is not the purpose of smoking pot to be brought under its power?