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I "think" you may have misinterpreted my remark that "true socialists are not really the threat" -- not exactly what I meant to say. I apologize for not choosing my words better. I meant only to make the point that I believe that the "true-socialist" group is being manipulated and played like a drum just as the conservatives are. The bigger Beast has us so buzy believing that the socialists themselves are all we have to worry about, that we don't notice that the globalists are the ones who are manipulating both groups. We are left as fleas arguing over who owns the dog while the globalists enslave us all. I guess that I define the "pure socialists" for the purposes of my point as those who are too thick (or too frightened to take full responsibility for themselves) to realize that socialism cannot work. This group largely does not see that they are only helping the globalists to keep us all as their serfs. (Or they are too cowardly to live as anything more than serfs. Consequently they could be overcome by those who are brave enough to live free, but for the fact that the globalists support them and facilitate their increased breeding). Yes, we should by all means fight socialism!! But we should not be so wrapped up in that endeavor that we neglect to realize that the root of the problem is the men "behind the curtain" pushing buttons and pulling the levers of power. As an earlier poster noted, "Dorothy, we are not in Kansas anymore"... .

You are so right about the fact that our government and the multinationals are the same fearful master. Our masters cultivate socialism among the non-producers and the liberals and, at the same time dupe conservative producers into believing that the socialists are the threat. As bad as socioalism is, the REAL problem in America is that the socilistic structure enforced and funded by the IRS and the Income Tax applies only to the rank and file. The guys at the top (High-ranking gov't officials and the wealthy indivduals who own & control most of the wealth and the media via the Multinational corporations) thrive above the system. The true socialists are not really the threat. We need to wake up and realize that our failure as a people to protect and defend the Constitution is the root cause of our woes. Throwing out the international bankers and restoring limited constitutional government is probably only dream now. I don't see how it will ever happen, as much as I wish it could.

“The Constitution is swollen with dangerous doctrine; doctrine that will be taken advantage of by the Federalists, a faction of monarchy men, military men, aristocrats and drones whose noise, impudence and zeal exceeds all belief."—Richard Henry Lee, (Robert E. Lee's kinsman) in a letter to George Mason, 1 October 1787

OOPS!

My mistake. I met Matt at a homeschool event at Furman U. I thought he was a Jr.

BARRON: No, abolitionists exist. Let me tell you what the Civil War was about, white capitalists in the North against Southern agriculturalists in the South

True

Billbears:

About says it all for me Shuck. And Mr. Populist(O'Reilly) was still trying to tow the slavery line. There might be a lot of things I may disagree with Mr. Barron about, but this statement isn't one of them

Greetings Y'all. IMO O'Reilly is the Dunce-apparent. The herded are tiring of Pope Dunceous I (Limpaw) and O'Reilly will be served up next for consumption by the Boobettes and Yuppettes.

Deo Vindice!

Extremely insightful comments about
the probable plights of freed slaves.

Thank you.

"Understand this: By allowing the socialists to continue to force us to underwrite the surging growth of a parasitic class while meantime, the radical environmentalists expand their 'franchise' by pushing for laws that will eventually make it a capital offense to step on an ant, WE ENSLAVE OUR CHILDREN to the future envisioned in 'SOYLENT GREEN'."--FreeReb

My pleasure!

“If tyranny and despotism justified the American Revolution in 1776, then we do not see why it would not justify the secession of Five Millions of Southrons from the Federal Union in 1861." -- New York Daily Tribune, 17 December 1860

Great patriot; his son is a good man too. The Chancey's are among those who are keeping the low flame of FREEDOM alive.

That I can't answer because I don't have enough information. I do know that there are several monuments that were erected across the South to the faithful slaves who suffered and in many cases remained loyal to "their" families after the WBTS.

I am sorry that a quick "Google" search didn't turn up the URL I wanted to post on that subject. There is a very nice monument somewhere in the Lowcountry of South Carolina that is dedicated to loyal slaves.

I did find this:

Commentary by Douglas M. Schauer
"That Home is Here"
By Douglas M. Schauer: schauer@lowcountry.com

In early 1861, Colleton County, like most areas of the South, sent its young men off to war. It was a war fought for many reasons. Many of the men did not return; they died at Chickamauga, Pocataligo, Drury's Bluff, Weldon Railroad, Petersburg, Gettysburg, and many other untold places. They died of disease, they died of the musket, they died of the bayonet, they died of the sword. They were citizens of Colleton County and as such deserve to be honored, like the dead of our other wars, with the monument that now stands on the courthouse grounds.

It is said that the monument promotes racism and division. Inanimate objects cannot do this. Only the hearts of men can do this. It is unfortunate that today many groups, both black and white, promote this philosophy, but I can assure you it's not this monument. The fact remains that 94% of the men who fought for the South during the War Between the States did not own slaves. Of the 6% who did, only 3% can be considered large slaveholders; most worked the fields alongside their servants. It does not make sense that 94% of the men would fight and possibly die so that only a few could hold men captive.

If you read the countless memoirs, diaries, letters and other first person accounts of the War, you will find a variety of reasons why they chose to go off to war. They went because they thought it would be fun. They went because they did not want to miss the adventure of their generation. They went to protect their homes. They went because they thought of themselves as patriots just as the Founding Fathers did. They went because if they didn't, others would think they were cowards. And they went so that their families and sweethearts would be proud of them. All of these reasons can be found in the first person accounts of all our other wars, too. They were no different. In all the first person accounts I have read, not one mentions that they were fighting to promote slavery - not one!

It's not just a white monument. A Colleton County African-American joined C Company, 24th South Carolina Volunteer Infantry as a cook. His name was James Russell. He joined of his own free will, he wasn't forced. He was a free man, not a slave. And he didn't just stay in the rear. On November 25, 1863, he followed his comrades into battle at Missionary Ridge and laid down his life with them. He is listed as killed in action. So you see, this monument does represent us all. Different races, different backgrounds, different ideas, and different dreams. To forget our Confederate dead is to forget Mr. Russell and the contributions he made for Colleton County.

Some say the monument represents what is shameful and undesirable. Some say it reinforces thoughts and actions better buried and forgotten. To this I say - the monument represents duty, honor, courage, and sacrifice. These things should not be forgotten or buried. These are desirable traits that should be instilled in all our youth: black and white. The men who fought and died sacrificed everything for their homes. The men who fought and lived came home different people. And all of them helped define our national character.

If this monument is removed, it will dishonor the dead of this county by judging them with a label they do not deserve. It is fitting that this monument is erected on the county courthouse grounds; the men who died were citizens of this county; they are our kin and should not be forgotten. If this monument is removed, it will not only dishonor those who fought in the War Between the States, but it will dishonor those who fought in all other American wars as well for you see, they all are comrades in death and as we all know death is colorblind.

For many reasons, as illustrated above, soldiers go off to war. It is rarely for political ones. But once at war, the only thought on a soldier's mind is home. Home is what motivates all soldiers whether from the War Between the States of the Gulf War.

Vietnam soldiers always thought of home. They didn't care about communism, or about the VC, or about the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. All they cared about was surviving their tour and coming home. I remember my dad telling me about getting off the plane in America after his tour in Vietnam. He stood proudly in his officer's uniform with medals shining in the sun. Then some student walked up to him and spit on him. His own people spit on him because they assumed he was a baby-killer and was evil. They didn't take the time to ask why he went or what actually happened over there. They believed their own propaganda. Vietnam veterans really didn't get to come home until recently with the construction of the Vietnam Memorial in Washington. You know we lost that war, too.

The same is true with this monument. Many of the dead of Colleton County lay in cemeteries and battlefields strewn throughout the Nation, including Mr. Russell who is buried at Missionary Ridge in Tennessee. This monument lets them come home. For those veteran's who survived and their descendants, it gives them closure and a way to cope with the tragedy of the War. For the families of those who didn't come home, it allows them to proclaim to the world that their father, their brother, their husband, their son gave everything they had for home.

To those who want this monument removed, I challenge you. Read the letters, the diaries, the memoirs of those soldiers. Learn about them. Dr. Martin Luther King fought and died so that his children would be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I ask you now not to judge these Confederate soldiers on the color of their skin but by the content of their character as witnessed by the writings they left behind. Writings meant only for family or self and therefore a true judge of what they felt. I guarantee you that these men thought only of one thing. They didn't care about slavery, or state's rights, or politics, or race, or hatred; they thought only of home. And that home is here.

Please don't let this turn into an anti-Lincoln rant.

No rant needed; however, the false mythology must be corrected.

There are liars; even on this forum; who deny Lincoln's role in the destruction of the Republic.

While serving in Congress, Lincoln was an outspoken supporter of the Marxist/socialist revolutions in Europe going on at the time. In 1861, Honest Abe sought to free the South from itself. Four years, billions of dollars in property loss and debt, and 600,000 lost lives later, Lincoln got his wish and our modern day federal government in Washington is the fruit of his labor. Don't everybody cheer at once. --MATTHEW CHANCEY

"The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history... the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination -- that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. IT IS DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE ANYTHING MORE UNTRUE. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves." --H.L. Mencken on Lincoln's Clintonian lie

"Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers; learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by all the influences of history to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision." --General Pat Cleburne, CSA

Yes; I would say that is correct.

Thank you!

“Every clause of Jefferson’s tremendous indictment of King George in 1776 was true of Lincoln in 1861-1865.” ---John Gardiner Tyler in THE CONFEDERATE CATECHISM, Section 10, pg. 5.

THAT IS BEAUTIFUL!

I believe this would have been Marse Robert's last review with the great J.E.B. Stuart, the last cavalier. Here are words of General Stuart to his bride:

"What a mockery would such liberty be with submission - I for one - though I stood alone in the Confederacy, without countenance or aid, would uphold the banner of Southern Independence as long as I had a hand left to grasp the staff - and then die before submitting." – J.E.B. Stuart to his wife, 2 March 1862

"Tell my boy when I am gone how I felt & wrote. Tell him never to do anything which his father would be ashamed of - never forget the principles for which his father struggled." – J.E.B. Stuart to his wife, 19 March 1863

"I wish an assurance on your part in the event of your surviving me - that you will make the land for which I have given my life your home and keep my offspring on Southern soil." – J.E.B. Stuart to his wife, 19 March 1863

James Ewell Brown Stuart, February 6, 1833 - May 12, 1864

A BUMP FOR THE 260,000 WHO DARED AND DIED.

"The veteran Confederate soldier was a typical gentleman. He was gentle as a lamb, brave as a lion and as ferocious as a tiger when aroused. He was as proud as Lucifer, as retiring as a woman and withal a hero on the field of battle. He knelt to no God but high heaven. He asked no friend but his sword." —Col. John P. Hickman, CSA

BUMP

You are pathetic.

If you would know your distant kinsman you must go HERE to the words of the great theologian and Jackson's Adjutant, Robert Lewis Dabney.

The third species [of courage] is the moral courage of him who fears God, and, for that reason, fears nothing else. There is an intelligent apprehension of danger; there is the natural instinct of self-love desiring to preserve its own well-being; but it is curbed and governed by the sense of duty, and desire for the approbation of God. This alone is true courage; true virtue; for it is rational, and its motive is moral and unselfish. It is a true Christian grace, when found in its purest forms, a grace whose highest exemplar, and whose source, is the Divine Redeemer; whose principle is that parent grace of the soul, faith.

Yet it is true, the three kinds of bravery which have been defied, may be mixed in many breasts. Some who have true moral courage may also have animal hardihood; and others of the truly brave may lack it. No Christian courage, perhaps, exists without a union of that which the spirit of personal honour, in its innocent phase inspires; and many men of honour have perhaps some shade of the pure sentiment of duty, mingled with the pride and self-glorifying, which chiefly nerve their fortitude. But he is the bravest man, who is the best Christian. It is he who truly fears God, who is entitled to fear nothing else.

He whose conduct is governed by the fear of God, is brave, because the powers of his soul are in harmony.-- There is no mutiny or war within, of fear against shame, of duty against safety, of conscience and evil desire, by which the bad man has his heart unnerved. All the nobler capacities of the soul combine their strength, and especially, that master power, of which the wicked are compelled to sing: "It is conscience that makes cowards of us all," invigorates the soul with her plaudits. In conscious rectitude there is strength.

This strength General Jackson eminently possessed. He walked in the fear of God, with a perfect heart, keeping all his commandments and ordinances, blameless. Never has it been my happiness to know one of greater purity of life, or more regular and devout habits of prayer. As ever in his great task-master's eye, he seemed to devote every hour to the sentiment of duty, and only to live to fulfill his charge as a servant of God. Of this be assured, that all his eminence and success as a great and brave soldier were based on his eminence and sanctity as a Christian. Thus, every power of his soul was brought to move in sweet accord, under the guidance of an enlightened and honest conscience. How could such a soul fail to be courageous, for the right?

But especially did he derive firmness and decision, from the peculiar strength of his conviction concerning the righteousness and necessity of this war. Had he not sought the light of the Holy Scriptures, in thorough examination and prayer, had his pure and honest conscience not justified the act, even in the eye of that Searcher of hearts, whose fear was his ever-present, ruling principle, never would he have drawn his sword in this great quarrel, at the prompting of any sectional pride, or ambition, or interest, or anger, or dread of obloquy. But having judged for himself, in all sincerity, he decided, with a force of conviction as fixed as the everlasting hills, that our enemies were the aggressors, that they assailed vital, essential rights, and that resistance unto death was our right and duty. On the correctness of that decision, reached through fervent prayer, under the teachings of the sure word of Scripture, through the light of the Holy Spirit, which he was assured God vouchsafed to him, he stood prepared to risk, not only earthly prospects and estate, but an immortal soul; and to venture, without one quiver of doubt or fear, before the irrevocable bar of God the Judge. The great question: "What if I die in this quarrel," was deliberately settled; so deliberately, so maturely, that he was ready to venture his everlasting all upon the belief that this was the path of duty.

"But pitifulest of all is the sight of those former comrades of Jackson and Lee, who are willing to live and be basely consoled by the lures of the oppressor, and who thus outlive not only their country, but their own manhood. Yes, beside that sight the grave of Jackson is luminous with joy." --R. L. Dabney