Just change the title to: "If you don't take the shot we'll kill this Dog".
Of course, this wouldn't tug on Fauci's heartstrings, but maybe it will work on some people...
Posted on 10/25/2021 6:12:25 PM PDT by DoodleBob
Recently, in my social circles, I’ve come across something I thought unusual: secular Americans who refuse to get vaccinated. Like many Americans, I assumed the religiously unaffiliated to be more progressive. Statistically, the less religious tend to lean left and left-leaning Americans are more likely to be vaccinated.
But these unaffiliated, unvaccinated women and man defied neat categories. They offered a variety of reasons for not getting the shot, ranging from “It’s a personal decision” to “I refuse to bow to COVID.”
Are these the last — and hardest to reach — holdouts when it comes to getting the country vaccinated?
According to both the Public Religion Research Institute and Pew Research Center, 75% of religiously unaffiliated Americans — who are also known as “nones” — are vaccinated. But Pew broke the data down a bit more: According to Pew, 90% of atheists are vaccinated as are 85% of agnostics. Those who described themselves as “nothing in particular” are only 69% vaccinated. The only religious group less vaccinated are white evangelicals.
“The assumption about nones that they’re all a super liberal group is not necessarily accurate,” Natalie Jackson, director of research at Public Religion Research Institute, said. “It’s like any other group we put together to talk about it but they’re not a monolith.”
While they are, on the whole, “more liberal than their religious counterparts on many many measures,” Jackson said, “there are some people, certainly, who are kind of formerly evangelicals or formerly conservative Christian and they’re still conservative but they’ve just kind of lopped off the Christian.”
Jackson added that 14% of the religiously unaffiliated are Republicans, a group that has lower vaccination rates than Democrats.
While a survey conducted by Public Religion Research Institute and the Interfaith Youth Core showed that 18% of the religiously unaffiliated would be somewhat receptive to religious outreach regarding the COVID-19 vaccine, what about the other 82%? What’s the best way to get them on the vaccine train?
Science, data or logic won’t be as effective, experts said, as interpersonal relationships and trust would be. That “sort of mandates” Americans to engage in personal, individualized conversations addressing these people’s concerns and feelings, Jackson said.
Jackson remarked that we’re past the point where blanket statements about public health will work. Rather, ”If you’re going for persuasion it’s going to be an individual conversation that has to happen,” she said.
“These are conversations that Joe Biden or (Dr. Anthony) Fauci can’t have,” said Nick Fish, president of the American Atheists organization. Such “last mile conversations are much harder and we have to get over our own unease about being willing to engage in these conversations.”
Fish said it’s crucial to “meet people where they’re at.” Atheists often make the mistake of hitting other people over the head with data and science, Fish admitted. But to reach the last vaccine hesitant and refusers, we need to listen with an open heart and compassion.
“The question of the individual rights thing ... is really challenging because it can come across as a value judgment,” said Fish, whose father leans conservative and was initially hesitant to get the vaccine. “But one of the ways to get at that is, ‘Yes, I agree it’s a personal choice. For you, personally, what is stopping you?’”
Listening plays an important role in building trust and tailoring counterarguments to the individual’s concerns.
“If you’re talking about individual rights, individual liberty, individual choice, you’re talking about moving through the world without fear and this is a way to do it — by taking this shot,” Fish said. “We don’t have to continue these lockdowns or these impositions on your liberty — (the vaccine) is a way out of it.”
As for secular people who “don’t want to bow to COVID,” Fish said that pointing out that the vaccine is a way to beat the virus, not bow to it, could be effective.
If all else fails, you can always turn to the good old fashioned guilt trip, Fish joked. That’s what worked with his father. Around the time of Fish’s birthday, Fish told his parents he wanted his father to get vaccinated so he could go visit them. It worked and his dad got the jab.
But the data suggests that, when it comes to the secular hesitant or refusers, appeals from friends and family members will only go so far.
Among the unaffiliated, Jackson said, “We do get 30% of them saying that a health care provider could encourage them. Friends or family is 15%.”
“I think, in general, what we see with everybody is also true with unaffiliated folks. It’s about establishing trust and being that trusted messenger or providing information and listening to what their individual issues are,” Jackson reflected. “At some point every additional person who gets vaccinated requires an individual touch.”
Another aspect of meeting people where they are, experts said, is making sure they have easy access to vaccines.
Fish and other experts pointed out that some of the Americans who remain unvaccinated might be doing so not by choice, but due to other obstacles that impede their access to vaccines.
“We do need to reduce barriers still,” Fish said, pointing to the lack of availability of vaccines in rural areas as one example.
Other impediments to getting vaccinated include an inability to take the time off of work to get the shot or to take sick days if one becomes ill in reaction to the vaccine. A lack of transportation or child care also poses obstacles.
These issues point to deeper problems to be resolved, said Nicole Carr, deputy director of the American Humanist Association, such as “the importance of things like all employers being required to offer paid sick leave and reasonable time off — that make for a more equitable society, in general.”
Any offspring of mine that doesn’t respect my personal choices gets disinherited and disassociated.
According to the data it looks like the people most likely to be vaccinated are atheists.
I sense a theme here......
I respectfully disagree.
To be sure, it's hard to raise a thoroughbred when the parents are asses.
But God gave us freewill, and that includes the kiddies, too. There are plenty of situations where decent parents do their best, and at least one of their offspring turns into a dolt while the rest are normal.
LOL! and agree. It seems to be on steroids now.
Secular? You don’t take the vax because it doesn’t make the slightest sense to you to take a vax that is not really a vaccine. That is rushed thru and not vetted out. That treats a disease which you are not in the slightest afraid of. That has been lied about and mis characterized from jumpstreet. Sheesh.
Make sure its them.
That's it in a nutshell. Black American flag time.
That is sad. My neighbors children guilted them into the shot so they could visit their grandkids. They regret getting it.
Unless the vaxxtards consider these unvaccinated continents and countries to be on a separate planet, where they won't infect the universally vaccinated countries.
Which is why we look at them as vaxxtards.
the writer:
Deseret.com: Mya Jaradat
19 Oct: The problem with Biden’s new refugee cap, according to faith leaders
They welcomed the higher refugee ceiling, but faith groups are skeptical of the nation’s ability to resettle refugees through a network that was gutted under the Trump administration.
https://www.deseret.com/authors/mya-jaradat/archives
- As for secular people who “don’t want to bow to COVID,” Fish said that pointing out that the vaccine is a way to beat the virus, not bow to it, could be effective. -
VIDEO: 6m33s: 4 Oct updated 6 Oct: Fox News: ‘Ingraham Angle’ on teachers fighting vaccine mandates
INGRAHAM: Dr. Bhattacharya, I know you filed an affidavit in this case. What was your point?
DR. JAY BHATTACHARYA, STANFORD PROFESSOR OF MEDICINE: Well, many of these employees, the workers, teachers, they’ve worked through the epidemic, many of them have immunity derived from - recovering from natural infection. A mandate that doesn’t acknowledge the scientific fact that they’re that they’re immune is not scientifically based...
INGRAHAM: Michael, have you had to get a rubella booster lately or a smallpox booster or? I don’t think so. It’s a little different, don’t you think?
(MICHAEL KANE, TEACHER PROTESTING VAX MANDATE): I think that’s a really good point. There has never been a vaccine requirement to teach New York City public schools. In New York state that has not been there at all. Also, with these COVID vaccines, ***they do not provide sterilizing immunity. The comparison between a COVID vaccine and an MMR shot is kind of ridiculous. You can compare the COVID vaccine much more to the flu shot, which generally is choice of if you want to take the flu shot or if you don’t want to take the flu shot.
It’s actually scary when we see people like the good doctor who I’m so glad to see on the show with me here today, taken out of the debate, and this becomes far more political than it becomes about science. It’s actually a very frightening thing...
DR. JAY BHATTACHARYA, STANFORD UNIVERSITY EPIDEMIOLOGIST: I think it makes no sense to mandate it. This should be a choice that parents make in conjunction with consultation with their doctors just we do with many, many other treatments.
Making this forced mandated, essentially what it’s done is breed distrust in public health. And frankly even in the other vaccines, the vaccine movement, the movement that was against vaccines was a tiny fringe movement before this. By these coercive measures, they have taken that movement and turned it into a much larger movement. It’s actually damaging to public health, damaging the children, because it has bred distressed. I don’t really understand the push behind it, especially for kids. The risk from COVID, the harm from COVID is so low, to mandate the vaccines, as was just said, ***it’s not a sterilizing vaccine, unlike the MMR vaccine, which is. It’s very, very different, and to treat it as if it were the same, I think Dr. Fauci is conflating things intentionally in order to get his way rather than just acknowledging a basic scientific facts...
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/ingraham-angle-on-teachers-fight-back-on-vaccines
28 Aug: Wentworth Report: Mass Vaccination Delays Herd Immunity and Risks Greater Damage Unless a Sterilizing Vaccine Can Be Found
By Geert Vanden Bossche, who earned his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany
(He has worked for several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development.
He also joined the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer before working with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness.
He then joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office.)
https://wentworthreport.com/2021/08/14/mass-vaccination-delays-herd-immunity-and-risks-greater-damage-unless-a-sterilizing-vaccine-can-be-found/
it’s as if ex-NYT writer, Katherine J. Wu, felt the need to try to shoot down the Bossche/Wentworth piece ASAP!
10 Sept: The Atlantic: We’re Asking the Impossible of Vaccines
Complete protection against infection has long been hailed as the holy grail of vaccination. It might simply be unachievable.
By Katherine J. Wu
(at bottom of article: The Atlantic’s COVID-19 coverage is supported by grants from the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation)
o modern immunologists, the phenomenon is known as sterilizing immunity, the ability to “totally prevent infection,” Taia Wang, an immunologist at Stanford University, told me. The measles vaccine is still often held up as its paragon.
No infection means no disease, no death, and no transmission, the absolute immunological trifecta. It’s why sterilizing immunity has often been framed as a “holy grail,” what researchers aim for when they’re designing their shots, says David Martinez, a vaccinologist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. But sterilizing immunity also has been a source of trouble. Some people hoped the COVID-19 vaccines could achieve sterilizing immunity, especially after reports in the winter and spring trumpeted the jabs’ surprising power at preventing infections—enough that the CDC told vaccinated people they could shed their masks in May. Then sterilizing immunity came back to bite us, when breakthrough infections began to pop up among the immunized, prompting fear and confusion among those who’d been certain that the vaccines alone could quash the coronavirus’s spread.
COVID-19 vaccines were never going to give us sterilizing immunity; it’s possible they never will. But the reason isn’t just their design, or the wily nature of the virus, or heavy and frequent exposures, though those factors all play a role. It’s that sterilizing immunity itself might be a biological myth...
Perhaps it’s more useful, Yonatan Grad, an epidemiologist at Harvard, told me, to understand the ideal of sterilizing immunity as just that—an ideal, rather than a practical goal, like the unattainable end of an asymptote...
Eventually, all discussions about sterilizing immunity become nerdy quibbles over semantics...
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/
I don’t want anyone to visit me and I don’t want to visit anyone.
That's the reason his Dad raised a turd and a coward.
To me this is strictly about the “science” and not the ideology as to why I will not take this experimental gene therapy “injection”.
I'm a 74 year old mother, and both my sons, who have had the shots, know enough never to raise the subject with me, especially if they want to continue walking around with their heads on their shoulders.
Just a quibble but 0% of all groups have taken a vaccine that will prevent COVID-19. And that’s the whole point.
I was not allowed to hold or even see my new granddaughter unless I got the shot and whooping cough shot. My daughter in law is a nurse and buys into whatever the government says. My husband does too. He pro gun prolife loves God and Trump. He says it’s an individual right if they don’t want to get the shot yet mocks anyone who says they aren’t getting the shot. So sad. 😢 🙏🙏🙏
Just change the title to: "If you don't take the shot we'll kill this Dog".
Of course, this wouldn't tug on Fauci's heartstrings, but maybe it will work on some people...
They want obedience—and they will use every propaganda trick in the book.
“Trust the science” is dangerous for children and other living things.
It looks like most folks are gonna have to learn this the hard way.
My kids know better. Of the 5 of us (parents +3 ) only one has gotten the shot. The three kids all got Covid within 4 days of each other. Granted they live together. 3 + 2 = 2 households.
Even people who are wildly successful as parents recognize they screwed up in a lot of ways. But often parents are their children’s worst enemy, coddling and bargaining with them instead of parenting them.
But even when I was in disagreement with my parents it was readily apparent that any attempt to manipulate or patronize them would result in swift blowback — they simply would not tolerate it. And if I or my siblings had ever placed conditions on visiting them they would have just told us to go to hell.
That kind of feedback tends to correct a lot of behavior even in adults.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.