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Bear Defense with Handguns Update, 20 More Cases 98% Effective
AmmoLand ^ | May 8, 2024 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 05/13/2024 5:53:21 AM PDT by marktwain

The use of handguns as a defense against bears has been shown to be effective 98% of the time. In this study, all cases that can be documented, where a handgun was fired in defense against a bear, are included. This is done by design to guard against selection bias.  All cases cite the source for the case information. Unlike other attempts to put a number on how effective handguns, long guns, or bear spray are in defending against bears, every case is described to readers so they can come to their own conclusions.  Readers may disregard any incidents at their discretion. They may evaluate the cases themselves. One of the keys to a convincing inquiry is the availability of the data used. If a researcher will not show you the data, it is a matter of concern. Research cannot be duplicated unless the base data is understood.

Cases where a handgun was not fired are not included. Access problems for defensive weapons, such as handguns, long guns, bear spray, and edged weapons, are very similar.  If the handgun or bear spray is left in a pack, it is much less likely to be used. The result is the same if the victim is unwilling to practice with their defensive tool so they are reasonably proficient. Extreme accuracy and speed with handguns are seldom necessary. Spray that is not sprayed or firearms that are not fired do not reflect on the ability of the device to stop bears.

As the number of documented incidents where pistols were fired as a defense against bears increased, the entire list became awkward.  This is a link to the last full list of 104 incidents, published on June 21, 2021.

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190 cases which can be documented with a place, person, date and synopsis of events, where a handgun was fired in defense against a bear. No incidents where a handgun was fired in defense against a bear has been excluded from the dataset. All bear/instrument studies use collections of anecdotes. No other source of data exists.

The difference in this study is all the sources are identified and readers can read the synopsis of events anf make their own judgement as to the usefulness of the handgun in the event.

The famous papers by Tom Smith and Stephen Herrero do not identify incidents and have not released their data to the public.

1 posted on 05/13/2024 5:53:21 AM PDT by marktwain
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Grizzly bear shot in self defense at 10 feet by Jimmy Cox with a 10mm, Sept. 18, 2018, AK

2 posted on 05/13/2024 5:54:44 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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“ Cases where a handgun was not fired are not included”
…why bother.


3 posted on 05/13/2024 5:55:33 AM PDT by albie
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To: marktwain

98%?

That’s pretty damn good!

Unless you happen to be in the 2%................


4 posted on 05/13/2024 5:55:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: albie

Just the bear necessities..................


5 posted on 05/13/2024 5:56:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: marktwain

No fair to the bear!
No fair to the bear!
No fair to the bear!


6 posted on 05/13/2024 5:58:21 AM PDT by AndyTheBear (Certified smarter than average for my species)
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Grizzly’s are a force to be reckoned with. Hand guns aren’t so effective with them I understand. Perhaps a 357? 44?


7 posted on 05/13/2024 6:01:58 AM PDT by albie
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Extreme accuracy and speed with handguns are seldom necessary.

And not necessarily a large caliber pistol either. A .22 saved my life when I was hiking with my girlfriend when we unexpectedly roused a black bear. When it charged, reflexes took over, I pulled my pistol and took a hurried shot that struck my girlfriend in the leg and I was able to get away unharmed. So, yes, even a .22 pistol can save your life too.

8 posted on 05/13/2024 6:02:14 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Those who favor abortion are not just atheists but followers of Satan whether they know it or not.)
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LOL!

“I’ll be safe from a bear. I only have to run faster than YOU!”


9 posted on 05/13/2024 6:05:00 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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That was hilarious!


10 posted on 05/13/2024 6:05:36 AM PDT by MIA_eccl1212 (10-10-10-10)
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To: albie

Read the study.

Handguns are just as effective against grizzlies


11 posted on 05/13/2024 6:06:58 AM PDT by riverrunner
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That’s been the standard response for most people, but Dean is proving this to be a myth. Even a grizzly can be deterred from attacking when you fire a smaller caliber weapon at it.

And the idea is not to kill it but stop it from attacking.

Go read some of his other published articles on bears. He’s done a lot of research on this.


12 posted on 05/13/2024 6:07:21 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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Unless you happen to be in the 2%................

Here are the three previous cases and the last failure which makes up the 2%.

13 posted on 05/13/2024 6:09:03 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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Bears might or might not be deterred by bear spray. But all these cases show they sure don’t like getting shot.


14 posted on 05/13/2024 6:09:05 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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I happen to have a .357 Ruger Blackhawk Flattop that I load with Buffalo Bore hardcast bullets. That round is expected to go through 4.5 feet of griz bone and muscle before stopping. That combo was approved by Dean.


15 posted on 05/13/2024 6:09:29 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Biden <3 Hamas!)
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There may be political reasons why the person with the .44 handgun was not willing to shoot the bear; or maybe the person shooting the .44 handgun simply missed. There is no indication the bear was injured.

Need more range time....................

16 posted on 05/13/2024 6:14:13 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: albie

I’ve heard that .44 Magnum is the smallest caliber you should carry for Grizzly bears. The 10mm pistol in the picture wouldn’t qualify under those criteria, as the 10mm cartridge is ballistically similar to the .41 Magnum. It was obviously effective in that instance, so who knows.

Ruger’s line of Alaskan revolvers (designed for Grizzly defense) start at .44 Magnum and go up from there. They are also expensive.

https://ruger.com/products/superRedhawkAlaskan/models.html


17 posted on 05/13/2024 6:15:37 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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There may be political reasons why the person with the .44 handgun was not willing to shoot the bear; or maybe the person shooting the .44 handgun simply missed. There is no indication the bear was injured.

Need more range time....................

There has been enormous pressure not to shoot problem bears, especially polar bears.

In fact, most of the polar bear populations have either grown or have stabilized. The idea polar bears were endangered has been a "climate change" myth, now shown to be false.

Polar bears were overhunted, but they were never in danger of extinction. When the hunting was stopped in 1976, the population has rebounded, just as you would predict.

18 posted on 05/13/2024 6:19:24 AM PDT by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: marktwain

Nice shootin’ Jimmy.


19 posted on 05/13/2024 6:22:49 AM PDT by OKSooner ("You won't like what comes after America." - Leonard Cohen.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I’m thinking of hiking in bear country next month, do you want to join me?


20 posted on 05/13/2024 6:22:59 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Those who favor abortion are not just atheists but followers of Satan whether they know it or not.)
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