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Her point that certain conservatives have come to admire Islamist attacks on Western decadence and that this has caused them to assume dhimmi status is troubling.
In 2001, I chose not to make this claim, because Buchanan was consistent in opposing foreign aid.
1 posted on 02/20/2006 4:50:46 PM PST by rmlew
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2 posted on 02/20/2006 4:51:36 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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Sad to say it, but Buchanan has gone over the edge IMO.

There's been some hype over the years, some of it valid and much of it not.

There's just no excuse for his latest proclivities. Sorry Pat, you left me in the dust fella.


3 posted on 02/20/2006 4:57:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If you don't want to be lumped in with those who commit violence in your name, take steps to end it.)
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To: rmlew

buchanan is beginning to read just like charley reese. sad, but true....


5 posted on 02/20/2006 4:57:38 PM PST by WoofDog123
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... finger-in-the-dyke ...

Ummmm, shouldn't that be "finger-in-the-dike"?

6 posted on 02/20/2006 4:59:15 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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9 posted on 02/20/2006 5:01:58 PM PST by ex-snook (God of the Universe, God of Creation, God of Love, thank you for life.)
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I know that a lot of FReepers have contempt for Pat, and the recent blatant display of hypocrisy in his columns certainly justifies some of that.
11 posted on 02/20/2006 5:05:20 PM PST by Radix (I really love the liberals, they put the FUN in funerals.)
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Buchanan can't even make the claim to be a realist. He is beginning to sound like one of the "striped pants boys" at the State Department circa 1925.


12 posted on 02/20/2006 5:07:27 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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this author uses slimeball distortions. Example:

"In a positively bacchanalian column, Buchanan exalts Hamas for its "sacrifice" and dedication, and mocks Israel for being "close to hysterical" over the outcome"

What Buchanan said in the article:
"What will Hamas do? Hamas will accept the cut-off of aid, seek money from the Saudis and Iranians, do their best to keep the Palestinian people fed, clothed, housed and educated, and sacrifice for their people. "

"Understandably, the Israelis are close to hysterical over the landslide for Hamas "

Buchanan did not exalt Hamas for their sacrifice. He did not mock Israelis for being hysterical.


13 posted on 02/20/2006 5:07:55 PM PST by RWE
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It's simple - if you hate jews, you're A-OK with Pat.


20 posted on 02/20/2006 6:30:21 PM PST by stop_fascism
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Serge Trifkovic, must be a Breve Serb.


21 posted on 02/20/2006 6:31:32 PM PST by Whitebread
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In Mr. Buchanan's universe, the meek in faith are not to be blessed – or even defended – but are to be subjugated to "Blood and Soil" barbarians. Such Muslims he views as the admired faithful who deserve to inherit the earth.

If this is accurate, then it means Buchanan has the mindset of an authoritarian Brownshirt thug. This characterization is appropriate for a Nazi ideologue, not a Christian, much less an American one.

23 posted on 02/20/2006 6:32:52 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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"Dhimmitude, or dementia"

Neither, imo. Just old-fashioned Jew-hatred. It colors every one of his thoughts.

24 posted on 02/20/2006 6:36:05 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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I wonder what Buchanan's old boss, Richard Nixon, thought of Hamas.


27 posted on 02/20/2006 7:54:19 PM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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I'm just amazed that people still defend old Pat.

The guy defends the same kinds of people who fly hijacked airliners into buildings and blow themselves up in rooms full of kids.

No matter what Pat may have stood for at one time, he has long since fallen off the cliff and should be ignored by everyone.

Of course he will still have his sycophants who will defend him until the end of time.

30 posted on 02/20/2006 8:53:56 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Pat Buchanan lost a family member in the holocaust. The man fell out of a guard tower.)
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The Israelis did that? Most Americans think of them as America's "best friends in the region." But not Mr. Buchanan, who is dedicated to delegitimizing the Middle East's only true democracy – a small spot of sanity in a sea of savagery, where enlightened Western law prevails, and where Christians, Jews and their holy places are safe.

Pat's still sensitive about the uncle who died at Auschwitz.

Poor fellow's neck snapped like a twig when he fell out of the guard tower.

32 posted on 02/20/2006 9:02:59 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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I've always been a fan of Pat's, especially since he will say certain things that we need to hear and even other conservaties are afraid to say. But this is one area where Pat has wandered so far off the reservation that you have to wonder if something has gone seriously wrong with him.


34 posted on 02/20/2006 9:52:29 PM PST by TBP
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We should send him to Munich.

Perhaps he might come up with some sort of Agreement
to bring Peace in our time.

40 posted on 02/20/2006 10:57:22 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken. /snark)
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Here is a trascript of the actual article.



Secularist Stupidity
& Religious Wars

By Patrick J. Buchanan
2-9-6

"What hypocrisy. When it comes to what Germans are most sensitive about, Hitler and the Holocaust, they are ruthless censors. British historian David Irving has spent three months in a Viennese prison awaiting trial on Feb. 20 for speeches he made 15 years ago in Austria. Skeptics and deniers of the Holocaust are prosecuted, fined and imprisoned in Europe with the enthusiastic endorsement of the European press."


That demagogues and agitators are exploiting those cartoons of Mohammed to advance a war of civilizations and expel Europeans from the Middle East seems undeniable.

But that does not excuse the paralyzing stupidity of that Danish paper in running those cartoons ­ or the arrogant irresponsibility of European newspapers in plastering those cartoons all over their front pages.

The storm first broke last September, when Jyllands-Posten published 12 caricatures of Mohammed, including a lampoon of the Prophet with a terrorist bomb as a turban. In the Islamic faith, any depiction of the face of Mohammed is forbidden.

The Danish paper knew this. It published the cartoons to protest "the rejection of modern, secular society" by Muslims. The cartoons were thus a defiant provocation. And they succeeded.

The Middle East responded with a boycott of Danish foods and goods. But when, in the name of press solidarity, Le Soir and Le Monde in Paris, El Pais in Madrid and Die Welt in Berlin republished the cartoons on page one, Islam exploded. For this was an in-your-face declaration by the secularist media of the European Union that it will exercise its right to insult any God, any Prophet, any faith, whenever it so chooses.

"Enough lessons from these reactionary bigots," said Serge Faubert, editor of Le Soir. "Just because the Quran bans images of Mohammed doesn't mean non-Muslims have to submit to this."

Faubert, however, is not a Danish soldier in the Shi'ite sector of Iraq. Innocents will pay the price of his heroism.

The U.S. State Department seemed to empathize with Muslim rage, stating that "inciting religious or ethnic hatred in this manner is unacceptable." But, within hours, State had retreated to neutral ground: "While we share the offense that Muslims have taken at these images, we at the same time vigorously defend the right of individuals to express points of view."

As of today the Danish consulate in Beirut has been burned, Danish embassies have been stormed, and Danes are fleeing the Middle East. Europeans are getting out of the West Bank, Gaza and Beirut, where mobs are attacking embassies and Christian churches.

Islamic countries have recalled ambassadors from Copenhagen. People have been injured and property destroyed in mob assaults as far away as Indonesia. Relations between the West and the Islamic world have been dealt another rupturing blow.

And for what? What was the purpose of this juvenile idiocy by the Europress? Is this what freedom of the press is all about ­ the freedom to insult the faith of a billion people and start a religious war?

Can Europeans be that ignorant of the power of the press to inflame when Bismarck's editing of just a few words in the Ems telegram ignited the Franco-Prussian war? Did Europeans learn nothing from the Salman Rushdie episode? Or the firestorm that gripped the Islamic world when Christian ministers in the United States called Mohammed a "terrorist"?

European governments are wringing their hands over the rage and violence unleashed, but they seem paralyzed. What is the matter? Why cannot they denounce press irresponsibility while defending press freedom? Even friends of the West like Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan, President Hosni Mubarak in Egypt and Tayyip Erdogan in Turkey have denounced these cartoons as insults to Islamic values and deeply damaging to Western interests.

British Foreign Minister Jack Straw deplored republication of the cartoons as "insensitive ... disrespectful ... wrong." But German Interior Minister Wolfgang Shauble haughtily dissented, "Here, in Europe, governments have nothing to say about which publisher publishes what."

What hypocrisy. When it comes to what Germans are most sensitive about, Hitler and the Holocaust, they are ruthless censors. British historian David Irving has spent three months in a Viennese prison awaiting trial on Feb. 20 for speeches he made 15 years ago in Austria. Skeptics and deniers of the Holocaust are prosecuted, fined and imprisoned in Europe with the enthusiastic endorsement of the European press.

Nor are we all that different. Sen. Trent Lott was ousted as majority leader for a birthday-party compliment to 100-year-old Strom Thurmond. Atlanta Braves pitcher John Rocker was almost lynched for saying he considers New York a social pigsty. There were demands that Rocker undergo psychiatric counseling.

We have "speech codes" in colleges and "hate crimes" laws to protect minorities from abusive remarks. But newspapers that hail these codes throw a blanket of "artistic freedom" over scatological art that degrades religious symbols ­ from putting a figure of Christ in a jar of urine to a "painting" of the Virgin Mary surrounded by female genitalia and elephant dung that hung in a Brooklyn museum.

What has happened in Europe is that the secular press, which loves to mock the beliefs and symbols of religious faith, has now insulted a deadly serious religion that answers insults with action.


Patrick J. Buchanan is co-founder and editor of The American Conservative. He is also the author of seven books, including Where the Right Went Wrong, and A Republic Not An Empire.


41 posted on 02/20/2006 10:58:42 PM PST by sangrila
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Can't believe it, but I'd like to hear his side. WND does publish Buchanan's articles.


43 posted on 02/20/2006 10:59:34 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: rmlew
I've never heard of this person, and her reasoning doesn't impress me.

Buchanan's point on Islam is the right one. We aren't at war with Islam, we at war with terrorism. And she doesn't seem to be very intelligent. Buchanan's position on foreign aid to Hamas is quite sophisticated. I think its too clever by half. But the subtleties seem lost on her.

You have the truly odd situation of people *demanding* that a cartoon that mocks the Muslim people be reprinted, while these same "free speech" advocates remain silent over the 3 year jail sentence handed to a loony historian for verbal statements. Irving's only crime was a 17 year old statement that has hurt the feelings of many holocaust survivors.
46 posted on 02/20/2006 11:15:25 PM PST by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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