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How Democrats Lost Iran & Could Lose Iraq
AntiMullah ^ | Dinesh D'Souza & Alan Peters

Posted on 01/28/2007 5:22:59 PM PST by FARS

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To: FARS

I keep wondering when the public is going to wake up to what the dems are really doing ..?? It's seem hopeless!


21 posted on 01/28/2007 7:53:28 PM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: FARS
Iran must be contained and will be. The Saudis understand this as do the Kuwaits.

State of the Union: Iraq, Africa, Iran and Liberal Bias

22 posted on 01/28/2007 7:58:28 PM PST by lmr (The answers to life don't involve complex solutions.)
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To: FARS

Bump for later read.


23 posted on 01/28/2007 8:01:35 PM PST by defenderSD (Who cares what left-wingers say about Iraq and Iran.)
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To: FARS

A few comments:

I'm not sure if we can trust info from Gary Sick. He was the main conduit of a lot of the conspiracy-theorizing regarding Pres. Bush 41's role in "Iran-contra," which was never proved or even seemed very plausible.

McGovern's position is a good summary of the left's perspective. The left has developed a "vendetta" mentality, in which they fantasize about their enemies (conservatives) confessing to all manner of horrible things. Sort of like Stalinist show trials. Or the trials describe in Orwell's 1984, in which the people who rebel against Big Brother are forced to publicly confess to such crimes as deliberately spreading venereal disease.

This leads the left into a sort of passivism (which they mis-represent as pacifism, which it is not), an attitude that nothing can be improved, that anything anyone tries to make a bad situation better (Iraq), will only make it worse. They themselves are afraid to try any sort of helpful action (i.e. anything beyond empty criticism), because then they would be responsible for consequences, which they can't bear to contemplate. Navel-gazing and random criticism of others is so much more safe and self-pleasing.

It's ironic, but this strain of the denial of the possibility for human progress of any kind, any improvement in the human condition anywhere, is now called the "progressive" position.

It also tells you what the left is afraid of. They are pulling out all the stops to ensure America and Iraq will fail together, because they are terrified that America might actually succeed in helping Iraq become a decent country.

If Iraq does become a decent country, with America's help, that will validate in spades everything Pres. Bush and the people who the left disparage as "neocons" have stood for: An active American presence in the world, which is able and willing to effect change for the better in totalitarian hellholes that need it very badly.

That would be the worst diaster imaginable for the left. It would even be worse for them than the collapse of the USSR was.

The possibility of actual progress, real progress, an increase in human decency in a place where suffering and horror, routine inhumanity, had been the norm, scares the left because it would show that their agenda of human stagnation and decline is not inevitable. And for conservatives, the most moronic of the knuckle-dragging stupid, the most ape-like examples of humanity, to be able to actually do this, when the ivory-tower leftists progressively insist that such progress is utterly impossible, would shatter their world-view and possibly shatter their identities as "progressives" and leftists. And they know it.

The horror of this prospect is what is motivating the left to its frenzy of anti-war action.

They know they're standing on the edge of the abyss, and American success in Iraq is all it will take to make the ground they're standing on start to crumble.


24 posted on 01/28/2007 8:19:28 PM PST by omnivore
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


25 posted on 01/28/2007 8:51:54 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: FARS
Interesting, but I'll need to fact-check every word, including "the."

I heard D'Souza on National Puppet Radio over the weekend saying the STUPIDEST things about Vietnam, apparently for the sake of promoting his new book. He bought into the idea that the Communists, even after the Tet offensive, were indigenous patriots, instead of foreign invaders from the North; that the South Vietnamese people's desire to get rid of their brutal government was the reason the war happened to begin with (rather than a Soviet-organized invasion); that bombing the North didn't do any good; that the war was unwinnable by us as a military conflict. And so on. The entire Communist propaganda line from back then—unchanged by the revelations from the Communists themselves since that time, showing every one of these statements to be false.

If I hadn't been so bored, I would have been disgusted.

26 posted on 01/28/2007 9:27:34 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Rippin; FARS
The Wahabbists and the Saudis are of a piece, and always have been. Where do you think Bin Laden came from.

Wahabbism must be destroyed.

Totally.

...Along with Sunni, Shi'ia, sufism, whatever...and every other faction of this pan-islamist nightmare, no matter from which branch of this unholy stench it emanates.

Either subjugated, or likewise destroyed. There is no other possibility or hope for the Judeo-Christian ethic, which, YES, is superior.

27 posted on 01/28/2007 11:07:24 PM PST by onedoug
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To: FARS

Carter's failure, as former Democratic senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said, was the result of being “unable to distinguish between America’s friends and enemies.”
According to Moynihan, the Carter administration had essentially adopted “the enemy’s view of the world.” Carter does not deserve sole discredit for these actions. This intellectual framework that shaped Carter’s misguided strategy was supplied by the political left.<<<

And now we are back in the same spot, with Carter type leading in Congress and pushing his agenda.

You are right, it is a good article.


28 posted on 01/28/2007 11:55:20 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Pray for peace, but prepare for the worst disaster. Protect your loved ones.)
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To: Calpernia; DAVEY CROCKETT; Velveeta; Donna Lee Nardo; LucyT; Founding Father; milford421; Quix

Ping to another must read article.


29 posted on 01/28/2007 11:56:56 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Pray for peace, but prepare for the worst disaster. Protect your loved ones.)
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To: FARS
Why don't the Liberals, Democrats and Hollyweirdos ever learn?

Many years ago, I saw a poster that read, "Thinking is hard work."

Most of the Liberals, Democrats and Hollyweirdos I know are either too lazy or too busy to take the time or make the effort to think. And for those who do think, (a true minority), the reasoned outcome of thought simply points out how wrong they have always been. Even conservatives don't like to admit to having been wrong.

30 posted on 01/29/2007 3:59:06 AM PST by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan. Pray the Rosary)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

High volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel, WOT

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31 posted on 01/29/2007 7:07:59 AM PST by SJackson (Let a thousand flowers bloom and let all our rifles be aimed at the occupation, Abu Mazen 1/11/07)
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To: FARS

How could lib politicos be so naive and stupid? Answer: They aren't!

America's evil twin is trying to kill us!


32 posted on 01/29/2007 4:44:40 PM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: FARS

The reason we lost Iraq = The new Iraq Constitution reads:
NO LAW SHALL CON TRA DICT I S L A M.

Brit polls:
"Today, more than one in eight of their children support Al Qaeda. Almost four in ten would prefer to live under Sharia law. More than a third believe death should be the punishment for converting to another religion.
>>>A sobering 74 per cent want women to wear the veil.<<<

Obviously, the momentum is with radical, politicised Islam. And why?

Clearly, Iraq is a factor. And Ministers have questions to answer for so long tolerating the Islamist apostles of hate.

But the lead author of this report, Munira Mirza, delivers a damning verdict on where the real blame lies. 'The rise of multiculturalism, with its stress on "difference" and the downgrading of Britishnesss has led many younger Muslims to see themselves as separate from society,' she says. "


33 posted on 01/29/2007 5:37:38 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: SunkenCiv


http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/carter.jpg ...and...
Jimmuh
...FLUNKED
THE TEST.

34 posted on 01/29/2007 6:38:13 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: FARS

bookmark for later reading.


35 posted on 01/29/2007 6:39:51 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: FARS

A good read and thank you for the ping.


36 posted on 01/30/2007 5:51:37 AM PST by odds
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To: Seadog Bytes

One of many with the same result.


37 posted on 01/30/2007 9:04:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, they're not." -- John Rummel)
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To: FARS

BTTT


38 posted on 01/31/2007 7:51:23 AM PST by SweetCaroline (***Your own healing is the Greatest Message of Hope to others!***)
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