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Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
National Geographic News ^ | February 28, 2007 | Kate Ravilious

Posted on 03/13/2007 7:54:13 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

Solar Cycles

Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.

Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.

"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.

By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.

Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists

"His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University.

"And they contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report."

Amato Evan, a climate scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, added that "the idea just isn't supported by the theory or by the observations."

Planets' Wobbles

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, not by changes in the sun.

"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era," Oxford's Wilson explained. (Related: "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" [September 13, 2006].)

All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said.

No Greenhouse

Perhaps the biggest stumbling block in Abdussamatov's theory is his dismissal of the greenhouse effect, in which atmospheric gases such as carbon dioxide help keep heat trapped near the planet's surface.

He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.

But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.

Most scientists now fear that the massive amount of carbon dioxide humans are pumping into the air will lead to a catastrophic rise in Earth's temperatures, dramatically raising sea levels as glaciers melt and leading to extreme weather worldwide.

Abdussamatov remains contrarian, however, suggesting that the sun holds something quite different in store.

"The solar irradiance began to drop in the 1990s, and a minimum will be reached by approximately 2040," Abdussamatov said. "It will cause a steep cooling of the climate on Earth in 15 to 20 years."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: algore; globalwarming; godgore; maunderminimum; milankovitch; milankovitchcycles
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1 posted on 03/13/2007 7:54:20 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Bah! This notion that the sun has any warming effect on planets within the solar system is pure poppycock! It's man! Man, I tell you! Our carbon dioxode gives heat to the earth! And to Mars! It's all us! We are the center of everything!


2 posted on 03/13/2007 7:56:25 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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3 posted on 03/13/2007 7:56:29 PM PDT by etradervic (Three great candidates for '08 - Newt, Hunter, Romney)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

AlGore has been sending all of his carbon offsets to Mars!


4 posted on 03/13/2007 7:56:35 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Geeze...this could cut into algore's book sales,and speaking fees.
5 posted on 03/13/2007 7:57:49 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
"His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion,"

Which is why we can trust him, because he hasn't been bought.
6 posted on 03/13/2007 7:58:25 PM PDT by bamahead
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
"His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University.


7 posted on 03/13/2007 7:58:32 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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8 posted on 03/13/2007 8:00:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era," Oxford's Wilson explained.... All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun.... These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

OK, I'll bite: why is Mars' wobble responsible for its warming and Earth's isn't?

9 posted on 03/13/2007 8:03:47 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

This edition of National Geographic will get "misplaced" at thousands of waiting rooms across America.


10 posted on 03/13/2007 8:03:58 PM PDT by digger48
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Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.

So a solar theory for warming on two consecutive planets is CONTROVERSIAL, but a human-induced warming theory is NOT?

11 posted on 03/13/2007 8:03:58 PM PDT by montag813
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So-called global warming is simply liberal propaganda. It is a religious dogma beyond discussion held by scientific fundamentalism.


12 posted on 03/13/2007 8:08:05 PM PDT by twntaipan (If you haven't done so, you NEED to read Mark Steyn's book "America Alone")
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

The point will be lost on most libs. Unfortunately, the significance of Mars' warming assumes a working knowledge of the solar system.


13 posted on 03/13/2007 8:12:11 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: twntaipan

So is Steyns book that good? (your tag line)


14 posted on 03/13/2007 8:15:22 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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To: montag813
So a solar theory for warming on two consecutive planets is CONTROVERSIAL, but a human-induced warming theory is NOT?

Actually, I believe I read that warming extends to Pluto and Titan as well.

15 posted on 03/13/2007 8:17:39 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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It seems to extend to every planet and moon we can get data on.


16 posted on 03/13/2007 8:18:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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Actually, I don't understand how a change the orientation of Mars can mean the planet is either warming or cooling. The same amount of planet is still facing the Sun at any given time, it would just be that a slightly different half is warmed at that part of its day.

Global warming scientists are wacked.


17 posted on 03/13/2007 8:19:25 PM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

50th time this has been posted.


18 posted on 03/13/2007 8:22:17 PM PDT by zarf (Her hair was of a dank yellow, and fell over her temples like sauerkraut......)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too,"


Notice that this scientist is rescued by the journalist on the obvious error that Mars has no moon.

Had some climate skeptic said this they would have been mocked endlessly.


19 posted on 03/13/2007 8:23:19 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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It seems to extend to every planet and moon we can get data on.

What an amazing coincidence that they're all wobbling at exactly the same time!

20 posted on 03/13/2007 8:25:11 PM PDT by Plexi
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