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Pelosi threat to sue Bush over Iraq bill
The Hill ^ | 5/9/07 | Jonathan E. Kaplan and Elana Schor

Posted on 05/08/2007 7:07:38 PM PDT by Jean S

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is threatening to take President Bush to court if he issues a signing statement as a way of sidestepping a carefully crafted compromise Iraq war spending bill.

Pelosi recently told a group of liberal bloggers, “We can take the president to court” if he issues a signing statement, according to Kid Oakland, a blogger who covered Pelosi’s remarks for the liberal website dailykos.com.

“The president has made excessive use of signing statements and Congress is considering ways to respond to this executive-branch overreaching,” a spokesman for Pelosi, Nadeam Elshami, said. “Whether through the oversight or appropriations process or by enacting new legislation, the Democratic Congress will challenge the president’s non-enforcement of the laws.”

It is a scenario for which few lawmakers have planned. Indicating that he may consider attaching a signing statement to a future supplemental spending measure, Bush last week wrote in his veto message, “This legislation is unconstitutional because it purports to direct the conduct of operations of the war in a way that infringes upon the powers vested in the presidency.”

A lawsuit could be seen as part of the Democrats’ larger political strategy to pressure — through a series of votes on funding the war — congressional Republicans to break with Bush over Iraq.

Democrats floated other ideas during yesterday’s weekly caucus meeting. Rep. Jay Inslee (D-Wash.) suggested that the House consider a measure to rescind the 2002 authorization for the war in Iraq. Several senators and Democratic presidential candidates recently have proposed that idea.

“There was a ripple around the room” in support of the idea, said Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.).

In the 1970s, congressional Democrats tried to get the courts to force President Nixon to stop bombing in Cambodia. The courts ruled that dissident lawmakers could not sue solely to obtain outcomes they could not secure in Congress.

In order to hear an argument, a federal court would have to grant what is known as “standing,” meaning that lawmakers would have to show that Bush is willfully ignoring a bill Congress passed and that he signed into law.

The House would have to demonstrate what is called “injury in fact.” A court might accept the case if “it is clear that the legislature has exhausted its ability to do anything more,” a former general counsel to the House of Representatives, Stanley Brand, said.

Lawmakers have tried to sue presidents in the past for taking what they consider to be illegal military action, but courts have rejected such suits.  

A law professor at Georgetown Law Center, Nicholas Rosenkranz, said Bush is likely to express his view on the constitutionality of the next supplemental in writing. Whether Bush has leeway to treat any provision of the supplemental as advisory, however, depends on the wording Congress chooses, Rosenkranz added.

Bruce Fein, who was a Justice Department official under President Reagan, said Democrats seeking to challenge a signing statement would have to try to give themselves standing before filing a lawsuit.

“You’d need an authorizing resolution in the House and Senate … to seek a declaratory judgment from the federal district court that the president, by issuing a signing statement, is denying Congress’s obligation to [hold a veto override vote],” Fein said.

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) introduced legislation to that end last year, but the idea of a lawsuit has yet to gain traction in Congress.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) said that “the odds would be good” for a signing statement on the next supplemental, considering that Bush has in the past shown a predilection for excusing his administration from contentious bills. But Levin did not offer any clues as to how Democratic leaders would counter Bush.


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KEYWORDS: defeatocrats; democrats; demosocialists; dhimmicrats; islamophiles; kos; leftistsandislamists; pelosi; shariasupporters; traitors; treason
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To: teletech
What do you think the US supreme Court would do with her suit?

It depends on who "encouraged" Justice O'Kennedy the night before the ruling.

181 posted on 05/09/2007 8:10:51 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (Dennis Miller said it best “Liberals always feel your pain. Unless of course, they caused it.”)
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To: All; prairiebreeze

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Protecting the...

Freedom of the Many,

and the One,

is worth sacrificing all

...for its sake.

As in:

http://www.lzxray.com/Ronnie3.jpg

.


182 posted on 05/09/2007 8:16:49 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: JeanS

Amazing...just amazing....

The level to which these Rats stoop for their political agenda....why oh why were they voted into office???

Are people really that naive to think they help this country? /rhetorical question


183 posted on 05/09/2007 8:18:32 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.)
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To: JeanS

Good luck with that, Pelosi. ::Snicker::


184 posted on 05/09/2007 8:20:27 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: TheLion
Pelosi and company will fight this all the way to hell, caring nothing about our troops.

They will lose, and they will do more to help a Republican get elected as President in 2008 than anything Republicans could do.

185 posted on 05/09/2007 8:21:45 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: JeanS
Can I threaten to sue Pelosi over the fact that she’s a seditious moron?
186 posted on 05/09/2007 8:21:55 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
If Nancy Pelosi wishes to sue President Bush for failing to enforce a law, how about suing him for failing to enforce the laws regarding our border and immigration?
I concur...that would be the ONLY thing she has to sue on...
187 posted on 05/09/2007 8:25:38 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.)
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To: JeanS; doc1019
I found some things here and . Most are refering to Clinton's term, so I don't know if it helps, but...it was hard to "google" for such a topic...
188 posted on 05/09/2007 8:43:49 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.)
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To: PA-RIVER

See Post #120 though...


189 posted on 05/09/2007 8:57:33 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.)
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To: Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fedora; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1830485/posts?page=113#113


190 posted on 05/09/2007 9:35:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 7, 2007.)
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To: TheRobb7
All of what you say is true. I wonder if the use of 'signing statements' is an end run around the fact that there is no 'line item veto'. In 1998 the USSC declared the 'line item veto' unconstitutional ... it would take a Constitutional amendment. The court said that the "unilateral amendment or repeal of only parts of statutes violated the US Constitution." "Signing statements" accomplish the same effect.

Don't get me wrong I'd like to see the PORK and BS in Congressional passed legislation stopped. But it needs to be done in accordance with the Constitution or its Amendments. [Just me thinking out loud.]
191 posted on 05/09/2007 9:45:07 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: JeanS

Demand of your U.S. Rep. that she be CENSURED.


192 posted on 05/09/2007 9:45:33 AM PDT by polymuser (There is one war and one enemy.)
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To: jveritas

google the Copperheads in the Civil War...


193 posted on 05/09/2007 9:53:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: JeanS; Gritty

194 posted on 05/09/2007 9:54:32 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: JeanS

SSG: Thul is blogging about the Appeal for Courage petition here:

http://foreign-and-domestic.blogspot.com/


195 posted on 05/09/2007 10:04:28 AM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: Chgogal
So, I think we can ignore the Loser's opinions and writings.

Thanks for the good words. I do think we know that we can ignore Peloser. The problem is, our media does not ignore her.

196 posted on 05/09/2007 10:40:56 AM PDT by do the dhue (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I wont - George S. Patton Jr)
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To: DakotaRed
I realize Pelosi probably shook hands with the Queen of England

Nancy: I'm Nancy Pelosi, and you're sitting in my chair.

197 posted on 05/09/2007 10:43:03 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: JeanS

Aw, Nancy, shaddup and go get another botox injection.


198 posted on 05/09/2007 10:55:40 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She’s dangerous. Enough that she’s a power-mad libRAT, she’s stupid too and that’s scary.


199 posted on 05/09/2007 10:57:58 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Armed men are citizens. Unarmed men are subjects. Gun control is about CONTROL.)
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To: JeanS

Get the wench a padded room!


200 posted on 05/09/2007 11:22:30 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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