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To: tobyhill

Unless basic Law 101 eludes me … you can’t sue a standing President.


15 posted on 05/08/2007 7:22:12 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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You know, people say President Bush is not one of the ‘smarter presidents’. I find that offensive for many reasons; but one of the big ones is his use of signing statements. What a clever political and legal use of executive power. I can’t wait for this ‘legal action’ to come out though. . . maybe it can be drug out into 2008 and we can retake congress.


19 posted on 05/08/2007 7:24:57 PM PDT by edmond246 (God Bless America)
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To: doc1019

SCOTUS said you can - Paula Jones case. An idiotic decision, IMO.


34 posted on 05/08/2007 7:32:34 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: doc1019
Didn’t Clinton have some law suites (Paula Jones etc. etc.) and the courts ruled they had to wait for him to be out of office.
99 posted on 05/08/2007 8:33:33 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: doc1019
Paula Jones did.

It was found in a court of law that she had reason or cause to sue Mrs Clintons husband for sexual harassment.

(That why his allegations of rape and Monicas “Job” performance became an issue.)

I think yes, a president can be sued.

156 posted on 05/09/2007 5:46:35 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: doc1019
Unless basic Law 101 eludes me … you can’t sue a standing President.

For disobeying the new socialist matriarch? (She's nuts. Seriously.)
I think Pelosi is as coo-coo as a cuckoo bird. I don't think her head is screwed on right. She reminds me of Al Gore. He went totally bozo after losing the election because Clinton couldn't keep his crooked little weeness in his pants.
The entire left wing seems to be doing some kind LSD trip or something.

176 posted on 05/09/2007 7:54:55 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: doc1019
Unless basic Law 101 eludes me … you can’t sue a standing President.

You can, if it is a non-leftist Republican. /s, I think

178 posted on 05/09/2007 8:08:47 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (Dennis Miller said it best “Liberals always feel your pain. Unless of course, they caused it.”)
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To: doc1019
"Unless basic Law 101 eludes me … you can’t sue a standing President."

From the Cornell Law - CRS Annotated Constitution [article II fragment 41]

PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY FROM JUDICIAL DIRECTION

By the decision of the Court in Mississippi v. Johnson, in 1867, the President was placed beyond the reach of judicial direction, either affirmative or restraining, in the exercise of his powers, whether constitutional or statutory, political or otherwise, save perhaps for what must be a small class of powers that are purely ministerial. An application for an injunction to forbid President Johnson to enforce the Reconstruction Acts, on the ground of their unconstitutionality, was answered by Attorney General Stanberg, who argued, inter alia, the absolute immunity of the President from judicial process. The Court refused to permit the filing, using language construable as meaning that the President was not reachable by judicial process but which more fully paraded the horrible consequences were the Court to act. First noting the limited meaning of the term “ministerial,” the Court observed that “[v]ery different is the duty of the President in the exercise of the power to see that the laws are faithfully executed, and among these laws the acts named in the bill. . . . The duty thus imposed on the President is in no just sense ministerial. It is purely executive and political.

“An attempt on the part of the judicial department of the government to enforce the performance of such duties by the President might be justly characterized, in the language of Chief Justice Marshall, as ‘an absurd and excessive extravagance.’

“It is true that in the instance before us the interposition of the court is not sought to enforce action by the Executive under constitutional legislation, but to restrain such action under legislation alleged to be unconstitutional. But we are unable to perceive that this circumstance takes the case out of the general principles which forbid judicial interference with the exercise of Executive discretion.

. . .

“The Congress is the legislative department of the government; the President is the executive department. Neither can be restrained in its action by the judicial department; though the acts of both, when performed, are, in proper cases, subject to its cognizance.

“The impropriety of such interference will be clearly seen upon consideration of its possible consequences.

“Suppose the bill filed and the injunction prayed for allowed. If the President refuse obedience, it is needless to observe that the court is without power to enforce its process. If, on the other hand, the President complies with the order of the court and refuses to execute the acts of Congress, is it not clear that a collision may occur between the executive and legislative departments of the government? May not the House of Representatives impeach the President for such refusal? And in that case could this court interfere, in behalf of the President, thus endangered by compliance with its mandate, and restrain by injunction the Senate of the United States from sitting as a court of impeachment? Would the strange spectacle be offered to the public world of an attempt by this court to arrest proceedings in that court?”

Rare has been the opportunity for the Court to elucidate its opinion in Mississippi v. Johnson, and, in the Watergate tapes case, it held the President amenable to subpoena to produce evidence for use in a criminal case without dealing, except obliquely, with its prior opinion. The President’s counsel had argued the President was immune to judicial process, claiming “that the independence of the Executive Branch within its own sphere . . . insulates a President from a judicial subpoena in an ongoing criminal prosecution, and thereby protects confidential Presidential communications.” However, the Court held, “neither the doctrine of separation of powers, nor the need for confidentiality of high–level communications, without more, can sustain an absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process under all circumstances.” The primary constitutional duty of the courts “to do justice in criminal prosecutions” was a critical counterbalance to the claim of presidential immunity and to accept the President’s argument would disturb the separation–of–powers function of achieving “a workable government” as well as “gravely impair the role of the courts under Art. III.”

Present throughout the Watergate crisis, and unresolved by it, was the question of the amenability of the President to criminal prosecution prior to conviction upon impeachment. It was argued that the impeachment clause necessarily required indictment and trial in a criminal proceeding to follow a successful impeachment and that a President in any event was uniquely immune from indictment, and these arguments were advanced as one ground to deny enforcement of the subpoenas running to the President. Assertion of the same argument by Vice President Agnew was controverted by the Government, through the Solicitor General, but, as to the President, it was argued that for a number of constitutional and practical reasons he was not subject to ordinary criminal process.

Finally, most recently, the Court has definitively resolved one of the intertwined issues of presidential accountability. The President is absolutely immune in actions for civil damages for all acts within the “outer perimeter” of his official duties. The Court’s close decision was premised on the President’s “unique position in the constitutional scheme,” that is, it was derived from the Court’s inquiry of a “kind of ‘public policy’ analysis” of the “policies and principles that may be considered implicit in the nature of the President’s office in a system structured to achieve effective government under a constitutionally mandated separation of powers.” While the Constitution expressly afforded Members of Congress immunity in matters arising from “speech or debate,” and while it was silent with respect to presidential immunity, the Court nonetheless considered such immunity “a functionally mandated incident of the President’s unique office, rooted in the constitutional tradition of the separation of powers and supported by our history.” Although the Court relied in part upon its previous practice of finding immunity for officers, such as judges, as to whom the Constitution is silent, although a long common–law history exists, and in part upon historical evidence, which it admitted was fragmentary and ambiguous, the Court’s principal focus was upon the fact that the President was distinguishable from all other executive officials. He is charged with a long list of “supervisory and policy responsibilities of utmost discretion and sensitivity,” and diversion of his energies by concerns with private lawsuits would “raise unique risks to the effective functioning of government.” Moreover, the presidential privilege is rooted in the separation–of–powers doctrine, counseling courts to tread carefully before intruding. Some interests are important enough to require judicial action; “merely private suit[s] for damages based on a President’s official acts” do not serve this “broad public interest” necessitating the courts to act. Finally, qualified immunity would not adequately protect the President, because judicial inquiry into a functional analysis of his actions would bring with it the evil immunity was to prevent; absolute immunity was required.

218 posted on 05/09/2007 6:06:45 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: doc1019

“...you can’t sue a standing President.”

Can you sue him if he is sitting?


227 posted on 05/10/2007 10:52:19 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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