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What is key here is "back" to the office. They were hired for office work, allowed to work at home during the pandemic (hoax), and now employers want them back in the office, which is how they were hired.

However if the company hired them for work at home, the workers may have a case. But if both the worker and/or company can terminate employment at will, there should not be a case.

1 posted on 05/06/2024 5:29:09 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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The underlying issue here seemt to be that these people are likely not competent employees and major PIA's to their employers. When you are having "shouting matches" with your bosses on a daily basis, as indicated here, perhaps you need to move on.

My company has had a "back to the office" policy for sometime but if you are a productive and valued worker, accomodations are always made...for those who contribute.

2 posted on 05/06/2024 5:33:48 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (6,575,474 Truth | 87,429,044 Twitter)
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Good point...what was their hiring circumstance?

Never will understand the compulsion some people seem to have to “work” at home. I like to separate my work life from home life. If you are at home all day, every day then you might as well be under house arrest.

Getting out in the world with other people is so much better for your mental well being.


3 posted on 05/06/2024 5:35:05 AM PDT by Codeflier (Don't worry....be happy )
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Gotta side with employers on this one.


4 posted on 05/06/2024 5:36:18 AM PDT by TomServo
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This is more woke bs. He was first hired for an in office job. Either he does what he was hired for or he is fired.


5 posted on 05/06/2024 5:36:52 AM PDT by RWGinger (FJB)
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He may have a case, given his health condition. As I understand it from corporate training, Federal law requires reasonable accommodation for people with disabilities.

If the article is correct, it doesn’t appear the company tried to make the accommodation.


6 posted on 05/06/2024 5:38:23 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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“Reasonable accommodations”, once demonstrated, may be hard to smash back into the toothpaste tube.


7 posted on 05/06/2024 5:38:31 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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They are never going to be able to put that toothpaste back in the tube. Once people saw that they could get their work done just as well from home....that it was not actually necessary to commute into the office and burn a lot of their time and money doing so, they were never going to be forced back to the office like before. Companies can force those on the lowest rungs back in all the time. Any workers who have leverage however, will be able to insist on 100% remote work. Companies which refuse are simply not going to get the skills and experience they want.

That’s already been happening.


9 posted on 05/06/2024 5:46:37 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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I serve on the board of directors of a company that is futilely trying to get people back to the office. At a board meeting last year I was the only one opposed to a “return to office” mandate. To their credit, the other directors saw the wisdom of this and backed down on the mandate.


10 posted on 05/06/2024 5:48:18 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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Give a baby a lollipop.
Then take it away. See how it goes.


15 posted on 05/06/2024 5:54:59 AM PDT by Buck-Toothed Knuckle Dragger
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HPE in the past sold off a lot of office space and said everyone work from home. Then they changed it to everyone must be in an office. Well they got rid of much of the office space. Surprised they did not get sued for that.


18 posted on 05/06/2024 5:56:39 AM PDT by pas
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When you work from home for several years it is difficult to make the case that a return to the office is needed.

In fact, some major corporations sold massive amounts of real estate because they found office work was not needed.

That said, employers are free to change the rules at any time.


21 posted on 05/06/2024 6:03:34 AM PDT by CodeToad (Rule #1: The elites want you dead.)
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Those who work remote should get paid lower wages than those who have to travel to the office (Especially government leaches). Let’s see how many would accept that.


26 posted on 05/06/2024 6:11:22 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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There is nothing whatsoever wrong or unreasonable as your employer expecting you to show up at your place of employment.


28 posted on 05/06/2024 6:15:56 AM PDT by wny
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...has congenital heart disease and severe anxiety.

And who’s fault is all this?


30 posted on 05/06/2024 6:24:20 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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First there was the COVID fire drill, Then came the extended recess because nobody wanted to go back or enforce a requirement.

And while it doesn't make sense to require Agent 007 to sit in an office in between assignments, M and Q and Miss Moneypenny pretty much do need to be in a centralized location or a well-equipped lab. And it's pretty hard for maintenance personnel to call it in.

So, the superstars who get movies made about them can work and thrive while not being in a central, common location. Or drones who do the the same thing all day long every day, and who could also be monitored for performance by tracking logs or output measurements.

But middle management requires people skills, and those don't come from Zoom calls. So unless and until large corporations go to 2 levels of employees - the CEO/Owner and the drones, there will be a need for work from office. And those who avoid that can expect to be a remote drone for a real long time.

32 posted on 05/06/2024 6:37:01 AM PDT by Bernard (“God's cruelest punishment is to let you reap what you sow.”)
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Despite submitting several doctor’s notices about his medical need to work from home...

I see the problem right there.

40 posted on 05/06/2024 7:08:11 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Nothing says "Democracy" like throwing your opponents in jail.)
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I've got a friend that retired from a job in Connecticut last year and promptly moved to northern Alabama for the vastly increased quality of life vs. the hellhole that is the northeast. His wife is still working her Connecticut job remotely from Alabama now. It's a hospital pharmacy record keeping job that can be done remotely no problem. Her bosses have been making rumblings about requiring people to come into the office for a couple of days a week, mostly to show they can as far as I can tell. If they do that they'll promptly lose a valuable highly skilled employee because she's not going to commute to Connecticut two days a week, she'll tell them to stuff it.

The days of employers getting everything they demand are over, people are much more likely to quit than they were in the past if reasonable accommodations aren't made. I for one am glad of it, for far too long employers have been able to treat employees like crap for peanut wages. The dynamics have changed and people are much more willing to tell them to stuff it than they were in the past.

44 posted on 05/06/2024 7:16:44 AM PDT by GaryCrow
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If management believes that in-office work is more productive, that is their policy. You’re welcome to refuse, they’re welcome to fire you. They can change their mind as they wish, it is ‘at will’ employment. The company has the right to determine their policy.

That said, firing somebody because of a health issue is an outlier case that shouldn’t be used to justify the norm, it should be handled on an individual case basis.

Lawyers overreaching imho.


45 posted on 05/06/2024 7:17:41 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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Ain’t HIPPA grand?

If I’m the boss and this guy is trying to sue, I’d love to see the medical records and if his claim is actually legitimate. Or did he find a sympathetic doctor that produced some documents. There are plenty of doctors that will give you ‘sick note’.

I’m not what ‘crippling anxiety’ is, but once again, find another sympathetic doctor, a psychiatrist, to whip up some nonsense and provide a sick note.

Boss has to pay bills on a office that isn’t being used. Cut the clowns pay to help cover the rent, utilities, etc.


52 posted on 05/06/2024 7:35:27 AM PDT by qaz123
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53 posted on 05/06/2024 7:37:09 AM PDT by DownInFlames (p)
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