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Hundreds flock to gun classes (KS)
TheKansan.com ^ | August 8, 2006 | Cristina Janney

Posted on 08/10/2006 10:05:40 AM PDT by neverdem

Hundreds of people are flocking to shooting ranges in nearby communities to take the class required to be certified to carry concealed weapons, but they won’t be taking classes in Harvey County for now.

The Harvey County Commission Monday voted unanimously not to allow instructors to teach concealed carry certification classes at the county’s outdoor shooting range.

The commission cited liability reasons and law enforcement’s demands for the range for not approving a waiver for the classes, Craig Simons, county administrator, said.

Only three completed applications have been submitted to the Harvey County Sheriff’s Department since they became available July 1, Sheriff Byron Motter said.

However, he said he expected more applications to be processed before licenses are actually issued Jan. 1.

As of Friday, the attorney general’s office had received 446 applications, said Chuck Sexson, the state’s new director of concealed services.

Applicants must be 21 and complete an eight-hour training course, including information on gun laws and firearms handling before they are eligible for licenses. They also must submit to background checks and have no criminal history or history of mental illness.

Once issued, the licenses are good for four years. Based on the experiences of other states, Kansas could issue up to 25,000 licenses in the next couple of years, Sexson said.

Sexson said he also thought his office will be ready to send notification of acceptance to applicants by the end of December. They can then go to a driver’s license renewal office to have a concealed carry identification card made or can have a notice placed on their drivers’ licenses, similar to the licenses of organ donors.

Newton police Chief Jim Daily is one of two certified instructors who asked the outdoor range be made available for certification classes.

Daily now teaches classes in the evenings at the BulletStop, a Wichita Range.

The Bullet Stop has concealed carry classes booked through October and as many as 1,000 people waiting to take classes, Daily said.

Charles Harter, owner of The OutBack Park shooting range in McPherson, said he had 300 people signed up for classes, which start Aug. 14

The state has certified 250 people to conduct the firearms course.

“We’d like to have up around 300 instructors as kind of a core group.” Sexson said. “We’ll certainly take as many as we can certify because that simply gets more programs out there for the applicants to attend.”

Daily said he thought the classes were an essential part of the new law, although he thought participants might benefit if they spent more time in learning about the weapons and the law.

Daily and Harter both said they thought the law will decrease crime in the state.

Kansas is the 48th state to pass concealed carry legislation.

Crime has decreased in those states that have passed the legislation, Daily said.

“I don’t think the folks who are applying for licenses are going to be the ones breaking the law and committing violent crime,” he said. “This law provides the general population who need or desire and meet the state requirements to carry a weapon to protect themselves.”

Harter said the deterrent comes from the fact people don’t know who will be carrying a gun.

He and Daily said they have had people sign up for their classes of all ages, professions and both sexes.

“I have had everyone from an ER trauma doctor to an unemployed housewife,” he said.

Harter said he was talking to more people who wished to carry guns in their vehicles than on their person, but once people are certified, they can do both.

Classes at The OutBack Park are $175, and participants must provide their own weapons and 50 rounds of ammunition. For an additional $40, participants can be certified for the state of Florida, which has reciprocal concealed carry agreements with 29 other states.

Matt Frazier, an employee at Patriot Pawn and Firearms Company in Newton, said many people have been asking about the concealed carry law, but he did not think handgun sales had increased.

Elsewhere in the state, gun sellers have reported increases in sales.

“Usually summers in the gun business are deader than a doornail, but we’re having a record year,” said Jeff Howlett, owner of Kansas Firearms Specialties in Tonganoxie.

The Associated Press contributed to this story.


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1 posted on 08/10/2006 10:05:41 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
I'd love to see some state mandate a 3 credit hour safety class for all freshmen attending that state's college system.

Class would cover three main topics, first aid, firearm introduction (this is a rifle, this is a pistol, etc.) and gun safety (taught by a certified NRA instructor).

Love to see it... doubt it will happen.
2 posted on 08/10/2006 10:11:18 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: neverdem; taxcontrol

'An armed society is a polite society' ping..........FRegards


3 posted on 08/10/2006 10:14:12 AM PDT by gonzo (I'm as confused as a hungry baby in a topless club...)
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To: neverdem; Joe Brower

Good News PING!!


4 posted on 08/10/2006 10:15:55 AM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: neverdem

Article implies that there are 48 states that passed CCW. Please check, I think it is 38 states.


5 posted on 08/10/2006 10:16:03 AM PDT by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

A Good News PING, for you too!


6 posted on 08/10/2006 10:16:28 AM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: neverdem

I took my class for 80.00. Look for good deals at http://www.ksconcealedcarry.com - instructor Bill Regina.


7 posted on 08/10/2006 10:24:27 AM PDT by Buell_X1-1200 (Sorry, I'm tired of thinking of 'catchy' taglines.)
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To: Fee; jdege
Article implies that there are 48 states that passed CCW. Please check, I think it is 38 states.

"Kansas is the 48th state to pass concealed carry legislation."

It is poorly worded. Here's a visual summary, courtesy of jdege. It says "shall issue" now equals 37.

8 posted on 08/10/2006 10:38:30 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: taxcontrol
Never happen.

And I don't use that word very often....

9 posted on 08/10/2006 10:39:45 AM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: neverdem
The commission cited liability reasons and law enforcement’s demands for the range for not approving a waiver for the classes, Craig Simons, county administrator, said.

This explanation has the distinct odor of a pretext wrapped in a government lie. It might be a good target for a FOIA request to determine whether or not Craig Simons, county administrator, is being truthful...

10 posted on 08/10/2006 10:53:23 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: neverdem

Classes at The OutBack Park are $175, and participants must provide their own weapons and 50 rounds of ammunition. For an additional $40, participants can be certified for the state of Florida, which has reciprocal concealed carry agreements with 29 other states.

Why must one pay for their 2nd Amendment rights? I can understand an uninitiated person wanting to learn how to handle firearms, but for those of us who are veteran military/LEO, IMO , don't require this training. I see this as another fee/tax/license/registration/certification/governmental revenue producer.

11 posted on 08/10/2006 11:03:31 AM PDT by Sarajevo (Life is a sexually transmitted disease. -R. D. Laing)
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To: neverdem
law enforcement’s demands for the range for not approving a waiver for the classes, Craig Simons, county administrator, said

Once again "law enforcement" shows its true colors on the 2nd amendment.

12 posted on 08/10/2006 11:05:54 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: neverdem

What's weired is Vermont, the wish washy liberal state that has had unrestricted carry for some time.


13 posted on 08/10/2006 11:10:48 AM PDT by AFreeBird (... Burn the land and boil the sea's, but you can't take the skies from me.)
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To: neverdem
Basic firearms safety IS very important. Taking a class is a good way to do this.

Instead of charging people an arm and a leg to exercise a Right, how about we just add it as a required course for school kids? Start at about 5th grade and make it mandatory through graduation from high school.

Maybe toss in a "religious" exemption for the pacifists out there who would prefer their kids go through life crippled and stupid.

14 posted on 08/10/2006 11:23:24 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: from occupied ga
Once again "law enforcement" shows its true colors on the 2nd amendment.

No doubt they need the range 24/7.

Cops hurt, dog killed Check the kid's name.

15 posted on 08/10/2006 11:39:52 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: AFreeBird
What's weired is Vermont, the wish washy liberal state that has had unrestricted carry for some time.

No crime, no big cities & too many white devils that hunt

16 posted on 08/10/2006 11:42:23 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
No doubt they need the range 24/7.

No doubt

17 posted on 08/10/2006 12:16:08 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: proud_yank
I just today stopped by the local gun shop and picked up a
"Possession & Acquisition Firearms Safety Education Application".
It is a $145 course and the first step in the procedure
to get myself a Firearms Possession and Acquisition License.
I had planned to do this next year but recent events have motivated me to act sooner.
19 posted on 08/10/2006 1:29:45 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Fee
Article implies that there are 48 states that passed CCW. Please check, I think it is 38 states.

Only two states remain that have absolutely no provision for CCW for the Rest of Us. Most states are shall issue, most of the rest are may issue. Ill-i-noise and, I think, Wisconsin have nothing at all, unless you're a Chicago alderman.

20 posted on 08/10/2006 2:57:46 PM PDT by Lee N. Field
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