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Police seize WWII-era weapons
Canadian Press ^ | 8/28/06 | n/a

Posted on 08/29/2006 1:33:29 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim

KOMARNO, MAN. -- Fifty Second-World-War-era submachine guns seized since January were allegedly rebuilt in a clandestine gun shop in Komarno, Man. and then sold to gangs connected to the Hells Angels, police said Friday.

Sten submachine guns were decommissioned by the Canadian Forces in the 1970s, but are being reconditioned and sold to drug gangs, police said.

"They were actually trafficking in them," said Sergeant Rick Guyader of the Winnipeg Police Service's organized crime unit. "I'm sure if we could trace the whole system, we'd find them across the country."

RCMP and city police put 19 of the guns on display Friday along with rifles, shotguns and ammunition seized earlier this month in huge police raids at two properties in Komarno, about 70 kilometres north of Winnipeg.

Police also seized two working cannons, a homemade .50-calibre rifle and three solid-steel pen guns -- homemade guns disguised as ballpoint pens. The guns fire a single .22-calibre bullet for what one officer described as "up close and personal killing."

Elwyn Evans, 61, and Alvin Luprypra, 52, remain in custody charged with multiple firearm offences.


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
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1 posted on 08/29/2006 1:33:29 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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[Machine Carbine, 9mm Sten, Mark I shown above Mark II]
2 posted on 08/29/2006 1:35:13 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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Well, it's not as if it's difficult to make a Sten gun. I believe it was the Dutch Resistance that made them from steel bed frames.


3 posted on 08/29/2006 1:37:00 PM PDT by Terpfen
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To: kiriath_jearim
You came in quick with the picture.

I'll add that just about anybody with a good machine shop could make a Sten from scratch with no problem.
4 posted on 08/29/2006 1:37:33 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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Yep, I could make one of those here in my shop with ease. The only thing I would have a problem with is the rifling, but I could even do that if I really wanted to.


5 posted on 08/29/2006 1:42:10 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: PeteB570

I've heard of some boys in Saskatchewan and the prairies who have made sten guns, mind you, that's just rumour.


6 posted on 08/29/2006 1:44:08 PM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: PeteB570
Of course, if one wants an ugly but functional SMG, there's the model used by the Aussies in WW2, the Owen--
7 posted on 08/29/2006 1:46:04 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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I know that as late as the end of the eighties the Sten was still being issued to SAS communications soldiers.


8 posted on 08/29/2006 1:48:13 PM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: Abathar

Well the critter was known more as a Bar, excuse me, close in fighting weapon. Not much need of rifling at parking lot ranges.


9 posted on 08/29/2006 1:48:31 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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I don't know that rifling the barrel would be worth the trouble, honestly. A good smoothbore would accomplish the intended purpose.


10 posted on 08/29/2006 1:49:43 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: PeteB570

With a "Good Machine Shop"? Try a dremmel tool and a friend with a welder.


11 posted on 08/29/2006 1:58:55 PM PDT by Buell_X1-1200 (Sorry, I'm tired of thinking of 'catchy' taglines.)
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To: Terpfen

Well, it's not as if it's difficult to make a Sten gun. I believe it was the Dutch Resistance that made them from steel bed frames.



I'm sure they are just as accurate as the originals too!


12 posted on 08/29/2006 2:00:14 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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That thing had to be even cheaper than the Sten,and the Sten cost what, $5.00 or less to make.


13 posted on 08/29/2006 2:06:52 PM PDT by 31M20RedDevil
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All I have to do is give it to my brother and tell him "Ream this out smooth and I want a REALLY good finish or its scrapped." Somehow he would end up with the rifling in there for me..... :)


14 posted on 08/29/2006 2:08:28 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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"That thing had to be even cheaper than the Sten,and the Sten cost what, $5.00 or less to make." *** I think you're right. Although I wonder what it cost the Wehrmacht to come up with their "peek-a-boo" Sturmgewehr44, the "krummlauf":
15 posted on 08/29/2006 2:12:25 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: 31M20RedDevil

If what I've read was correct they were first made by a lamp company in England and the contract price was $13 each...

Currently a NFA registered pre-86 transferable full auto sten is going for around $3500 to $5000 depending on wheither it is original or a rebuild...


16 posted on 08/29/2006 2:18:40 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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My daddy was in WW2,he said German weapons looked meaner than ours
and they usually were. That MG 42 he said was terrifying to have ripping
in your direction.


17 posted on 08/29/2006 2:18:43 PM PDT by 31M20RedDevil
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He was correct.The MG-42 spit out a lot of ammo.at a very fast pace!


18 posted on 08/29/2006 2:24:02 PM PDT by xarmydog
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Sten was a very good SMG in WW-2. Chief of German Commando Operations Otto Skorzeny wanted an equivalent for German forces.


19 posted on 08/29/2006 2:37:41 PM PDT by fso301
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My daddy was in WW2,he said German weapons looked meaner than ours and they usually were. That MG 42 he said was terrifying to have ripping in your direction.

I have heard it referred to as hitlers buzz saw

20 posted on 08/29/2006 2:51:12 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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