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Illinois bill proposes to strip unvaxxed of their health insurance
Off Guardian ^ | Dec 8, 2021 | Kit Knightly

Posted on 12/09/2021 8:28:32 AM PST by Wish2Post

Illinois Representative Jonathan Carroll wants to push through a change to the state’s insurance law that would mean health insurers no longer have to cover unvaccinated people who get Covid, forcing people to pay their medical bills out of pocket.

The Democrat lawmaker told the Chicago Sun-Times:

I think it’s time that we say ‘You choose not to get vaccinated, then you’re also going to assume the risk that if you do catch COVID, and you get sick, the responsibility is on you,’”

The potential corruption and abuse of such a rule should be obvious to anyone familiar with just how mendacious insurance companies can be.

In all likelihood insurance companies will simply demand a negative Covid test before paying anything, and if you test positive, no matter what you were treated for, you will be called a “covid case” and forced to pay out of pocket.

The bill could, essentially, wipe all health insurance off the books for unvaccinated people.

The vaccinated should take no comfort from this, because their vaccinated status is entirely temporary, and subject to rules that could change on a whim.

Any “double jabbed” who misses a booster, or got a brand of vaccine that was subsequently unapproved or discontinued, or wasn’t updated for the latest variant, could suddenly find themselves one of the “unvaccinated” underclass.

Of course, once it applies to vaccination status it can apply to other things. You travelled to the wrong place, or you didn’t wear a mask, you “associated with known anti-vaxxers”.

And, even more concerning, is the potentially slippery slope this starts us down. Unvaccinated don’t get health insurance. Neither do smokers who get lung cancer. Or overweight people who get diabetes. And so on and so on.

The potential good news is that putting this law on the books would require a lot of legal workarounds, including violating or changing the Affordable Care Act, which outlaws removing insurance coverage from someone based on a new medical diagnosis or test result.

The editorial board of the Chicago Sun-Times already came out against the move, calling it unfair, warning of the same slippery slope I mentioned above, whilst at the same time arguing “the willfully unvaccinated should pay a price”, and be charged more for their insurance.

Given that response, it’s possible Mr Carroll’s role here is to set out an unacceptably extreme position, so the intended plan of higher insurance premiums for unvaccinated people seems more reasonable by comparison.

But, whether genuine or not, and whether it comes to fruition or not, the very fact the suggestion was made is a damning condemnation of the times. It would be a truly terrible precedent to set.

Once you start putting stipulations on healthcare, you don’t stop.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: health; insurance; unvaxxed; vaccine
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To: Wish2Post

At that point, someone should take their proof of natural immunity and challenge this in court. And then there’s the people who have valid medical reasons for not taking the vax. That is discriminatory against them. Will they make exceptions for those who have been granted exemptions?

Science shows natural immunity is superior to vax so-called immunity so there’s no reason to get vaxxed if you’ve had it.

Besides, politicians should not be in the position of making healthcare decisions and policies. They are not qualified medical personnel. He’s opening a real can of worms there.


41 posted on 12/09/2021 9:14:43 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: qaz123

not to mention...I hope the vaxed enjoy that huge increase
in their premiums...


42 posted on 12/09/2021 9:16:53 AM PST by maxsand
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To: Maudeen

Absolutely.


43 posted on 12/09/2021 9:18:01 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: Leep

He is from a suburb of Chicago, Buffalo Grove. I have not heard that Buffalo Grove is a hot bed of fascists, but I don’t live there, so who knows.

My district has turned Blue tho we had a lazy lousy RINO who made it easier for dems to take in 2020. :(


44 posted on 12/09/2021 9:18:44 AM PST by Freedom56v2 (It's not the job of the unvaxxed to protect the vaxxed. That's the job of the "vaccine.")
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To: sarge83

This thinking, that a massive reduction in population simply results in “more stuff for me”, but otherwise no effect, seems naive.

There are intricacies associated with macro economics. Just like the current supply chain disruptions, but more pronounced.


45 posted on 12/09/2021 9:19:00 AM PST by steve in DC
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To: Jim Robinson
Kinda blows healthcare is a ‘right.’

That is an excellent point!! Obammycare was supposedly about the 'right' to healthcare, regardless of conditions.

46 posted on 12/09/2021 9:22:19 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: Wish2Post

No coverage means no payments.


47 posted on 12/09/2021 9:25:53 AM PST by SaxxonWoods
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To: Wish2Post

What is next, you drive a car and get in an accident you lose you insurance and pay out of your pocket? These people are out of their minds.


48 posted on 12/09/2021 9:32:11 AM PST by spincaster
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To: Wish2Post
This fascist monster is a Democrat from Arlington Heights.

Please explain why he shouldn't be treated as a war criminal.

49 posted on 12/09/2021 9:38:05 AM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Wish2Post

If put into effect there will be unintended consequences.

What those would be I don’t know but I do know whenever the government interferes with businesses something always goes wrong.

At minimum people will move out of Illinois.


50 posted on 12/09/2021 9:39:13 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: Wish2Post

So I guess that the vaxxed who’ve had three booster shots and still get COVID will be covered.


51 posted on 12/09/2021 9:46:03 AM PST by SkyDancer ( I make airplanes fly, what's your super power?)
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To: Freedom56v2

AND-—The illegals & the Afghans are NOT even being tested....


52 posted on 12/09/2021 9:46:22 AM PST by ridesthemiles ( )
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To: V_TWIN

You are absolutely correct. Trump pulled back the curtain.


53 posted on 12/09/2021 9:54:14 AM PST by McGavin999 (To shut down the border tell the administration the cartel is smuggling Ivermectin )
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To: Wish2Post

He’s pretty douchebaggy.

It begs the question though. Why would, or should, insurers pay out for Covid infection in the first place?

Remember, if you will, it’s at best some kind of engineered virus that escaped from a lab. Do insurance policies ordinarily have exclusions for acts of war, chemical attacks, etc? I bet they do.

Next, how many insurance policies have exclusions for medical experiments and drug trials? I bet they do.

We are being “led” by idiots.


54 posted on 12/09/2021 9:59:48 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Wish2Post

I propose a bill that would strip the skin off this treasonous scumbag.I would call it “Dip treasonous scumbag politicians into a vat of boiling water then slowly peel off their skin” Bill.


55 posted on 12/09/2021 10:21:19 AM PST by trashiscash
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To: Freedom56v2
Yet those people are actually PAYING insurance premiums...Guess that is for funding health care of others...

That is EXACTLY what happens. I pay $13k in premiums annually. $6900 deductible. I've seen my doctor TWICE in the last 6 years. A blood test panel. That's it. 99% of what I pay subsidizes the medical services of other people. I simply don't get sick. BTW, I'm unvaxxed and the recent trip to the doc was specifically to get the medical exception delivered to HR. Otherwise, I wouldn't have bothered. Sitting in the waiting room was a high risk action to squash an administrative demand.

56 posted on 12/09/2021 10:36:03 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Freedom56v2
If you look at his picture, he is FAT. I think he should not be allowed to use his insurance for any condition that could be traced back to OBESITY.

Which includes COVID hospitalization as obesity is a know, major contributor to bad outcomes with Covid.

57 posted on 12/09/2021 10:55:44 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: steve in DC

There won’t be more stuff for people if the population is reduced as there won’t be enough people left to produce anything but necessities, like food.


58 posted on 12/09/2021 10:57:12 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: Wish2Post

This fascism has to be ended.


59 posted on 12/09/2021 10:58:35 AM PST by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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To: Flavious_Maximus

Excellent point.


60 posted on 12/09/2021 10:59:27 AM PST by Arcadian Empire (The Baric-Daszak-Fauci spike protein, by itself, is deadly.)
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