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Hardball for Nov 7 (Chris Matthews discusses abortion and loses it with Marc Racicot)
MSNBC ^ | 11/8/2002 | Chris Matthews

Posted on 11/08/2002 9:07:18 PM PST by Utah Girl

MATTHEWS: We have the Republican Caucus, the Republican Party on here, ideologically speaking, the most far right group ever to assemble, I think. G. Gordon Liddy, Patrick J. Buchanan and Bob Dornan are whooping it up here. We’re going to be joined right now by Marc Racicot, chairman of the Republican National Committee. Mr. Racicot, thanks for joining us.

MARC RACICOT, RNC CHAIRMAN: My pleasure. Thank you.

MATTHEWS: Are you going to try to appease these wild Indians I got here of the political right or what are you going to do? Are you going to give them an anti-abortion judge that can drive Nita Lowey and the left crazy for the next couple of months?

DORNAN: We all have Irish blood, including the host.

MATTHEWS: It has nothing to do with that (UNITELLIGIBLE). Mr.

Racicot, you’re not Irish, so speak on.

RACICOT: I am Irish. My grandmother was a good Irish person...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh God.

RACICOT: ... and Catholic as well. So I think we all have some disqualifying characteristics.

MATTHEWS: OK, let’s move on to the subject...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Judgeships are probably the hottest question in the country because when you put a judge up, you have to-they basically now have to say OK, I’m pro for abortion rights or I’m anti abortion rights, I’m choice or I’m life. How do you avoid that fight if Sandra Day O’Connor, for example, retires or one of the other judges retires in the next couple of months?

RACICOT: Well, I think you focus upon what the constitution contemplates and that is whether or not they’re qualified by reason of experience and training, and then you talk about the constitutional principles that have been articulated throughout the many generations that the court has sat and heard cases like whether or not you’re going to observe precedent.

There’s a reason for having the rule to observe precedent, and that is to bring about stability in the law. There’s a reason why courts are not consigned with the responsibility to legislate...

MATTHEWS: OK, can we get beyond...

RACICOT: ... because of stability.

MATTHEWS: ... that? I accept all that as sort of backdrop or background music, but the fact is the Republican Party has made a commitment to the far right crowd, to the religious conservatives of this country, to outlaw abortion. Will they make good on that promise?

RACICOT: I don’t think that there’s been any commitment of that kind. What this president has talked about is recommending to the Senate judges who are qualified by reason of their experience and training, and judicial capacity. These people that have been presented to the judiciary committee like...

MATTHEWS: Right.

RACICOT: ... Priscilla Owen or Miguel Estrada, these are people who are highly qualified. They have unanimous recommendations from the American Bar Association; they’re well qualified. These people ought to be considered and ought to receive a vote. The reason they didn’t is because those who control the committee were afraid the Democrats would vote for them too.

MATTHEWS: If all the people in the deep south, and I’m talking about pretty much up to the northern tobacco south, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, all across the south and what you might call the Bible Belt-I don’t mind calling it that-all voted Republican for governor as well as senator, a huge sweep on the red part of the map from last time. You don’t think that’s a mandate to outlaw abortion by the president, by putting pro-life judges on the bench? You don’t read it that way?

RACICOT: I don’t believe that you can distill it that simply, Chris.

I think there are a lot of reasons to explain that. Number one...

MATTHEWS: You don’t want to admit that one of the reasons is abortion?

RACICOT: I don’t think that it’s an expressed requirement or an express expectation. I mean I’m pro-life. I would like to see judges who construe the law in reference to that issue with a great deal of firmness, conviction and faith in the innocence of human life, but I’d never required that when I made an appointment.

I didn’t have that as a litmus test. I listened...

(CROSSTALK)

RACICOT: ... to what it is that they had to say about how they were going to be a judge.

MATTHEWS: OK, thank you very much, Marc Racicot, Republican National Chairman. Back to the panel. Does everybody agree with that? I hear you Bob Dornan. Aren’t you amazed to hear that the RNC chair is basically pooh-poohing the idea that this is a big priority question?

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Chris Matthews was absolutely nasty to Marc Racicot last night. Matthews is so afraid (along with all of the other dems) that their almighty abortion rights will be overturned because the Republicans are going to appoint judges who will be taking orders directly from the White House to overturn Roe v Wade.

I've read several editorials today bemoaning this fact also. It is going to get really nasty for President Bush's judicial nominees, but at least they will get a vote on the Senate floor.

1 posted on 11/08/2002 9:07:19 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
all liberals are the same whether they are pols or nazi hacks lying for the pols they are all no class trash ....
2 posted on 11/08/2002 9:19:18 PM PST by fishbabe
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To: Utah Girl
Just give us about 3 more Scalia's.
3 posted on 11/08/2002 9:20:24 PM PST by Paraclete
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To: Utah Girl
Watched this interview. To be honest, I was more interested in what Laura Ingraham had to say than these people :)
4 posted on 11/08/2002 9:24:36 PM PST by rs79bm
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To: rs79bm
Darn, Laura Ingraham was on? I got disgusted with Matthews and turned the channel. I really like Laura, she is funny, sarcastic, and very observant.
5 posted on 11/08/2002 9:27:35 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
Have you noticed that most of the people who are the most virulent about abortion are men, old men, or dried up old women who couldn't get pregnant except through a miracle? I cannot understand why it is so important to these people. To even consider having a baby growing inside of you deliberatly destroyed is abhorrent to me. Mengele and all the other Nazi butchers must be laughing with glee in their hell.
6 posted on 11/08/2002 9:32:15 PM PST by SwatTeam
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To: Utah Girl
This just shows that the left is not waiting and is trying to define the issues. They want to present the issue with their warped view for public consumption. If they run this out constantly for the next year they will make an impact on some feeble minds.
7 posted on 11/08/2002 9:34:42 PM PST by Clean_Sweep
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To: Utah Girl
Wouldn't you be nasty, too, if you knew deep down that history would judge you and those like you as equivalent to those who supported slavery?

Because that's what this is all about. You have a group of people who're viewed as not actually being human by those in power. In the first instance, they're brutalized and enslaved for the benefit of those in power. In the other instance, they're murdered for the convenience of those who have power over them. In both cases, you have people who try to denigrate their intrinsic humanity so as to justify their actions. They say that black people are above the ape, but not equal to the white man. That that's not REALLY a human being. A fetus isn't human until it's born. Before that it's just a lifeless mass.

So that's why Chris is so nasty, not to mention afraid. The more time goes on and the more we learn about the development of humans in the womb the more people have to own up to the fact that abortion IS murder. That life DOES in fact begin at conception, and not at birth. And rather than own up to the fact that he's supported an atrocity all these years and live with the resulting guilt, he instead clings to the delusion more fiercely.
8 posted on 11/08/2002 9:35:57 PM PST by Green Knight
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To: Paraclete
"Damn it! Do I now have to stay here forever? I want to retire and go to Miami!"


9 posted on 11/08/2002 9:38:29 PM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: Utah Girl
To be perfectly honest with you. Chris Mathews in this case was doing his job, but I've seen him absolutley shred pro-abortion arguements with zeal. The people from NOW despise and have called him a closet pro-lifer. When he goes on the abortion issue, he's made statments that its the one issue that no ever talks about rationally, but and he is the only member of the media that I have EVER HEARD ADMIT THIS, that the pro-choice (aka pro infant genocide) is thw worst of them all when they try to get all emotional about it. The image you always get is the pro-lifers are nuts with the media choosing the absolute worst people to be on TV.
10 posted on 11/08/2002 9:43:44 PM PST by Sonny M
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To: Utah Girl
Democrats are the Abortion Party!

Ann Coulter
11 posted on 11/08/2002 9:47:05 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: ErnBatavia
jeez, whoever took that picture should be enjoined from ever handling a camera again. What an awful picture!
12 posted on 11/08/2002 9:57:32 PM PST by TexanToTheCore
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To: Sonny M
Your take on Matthews' approach is closer to the paper truth, though I think he goes overboard sometimes and gets downright rude when he's trying to spring a trap. And he was trying to trap his guest because he's shilling for the pro-serial killing party, to define the issue at the extremes for political wedge issue manipulation.

If one approaches the debate over abortion from the standpoint of life support, the issues splay out as to when is the individual life in the womb a human being entitled to life support based on our founding documents. Taking such an approach removes the room for demagoguery that the vile leftists of the democrat party want to spew. If our nation would debate the issue of when is there a human in the womb who is on life support and to end that life support is to kill a nascent individual human, then a paradigm shift in protection of life would occur, and occur very quickly since the despotic democrats can't win by defending arbitrary removal of life support (serial killing) when they've been championing life support mandated by court order for men who father a child.

13 posted on 11/08/2002 9:59:35 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Sonny M
I've heard Matthews shred the pro-choicers too, asking them why don't they call it abortion, instead of hiding behind the euphenism of "pro-choice." But Matthews was personally nasty to Racicot, that is what got me, and dismissive. But he likes to stir the pot, and he did get a mild rise out of Racicot at the very end.
14 posted on 11/08/2002 10:07:24 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: fishbabe
So I wonder if any of the liberal "it's my body crowd" are against mandatory vaccinations?
15 posted on 11/08/2002 10:26:29 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: SwatTeam
"Have you noticed that most of the people who are the most virulent about abortion are men, old men, or dried up old women who couldn't get pregnant except through a miracle? I cannot understand why it is so important to these people."

I've noticed that. It may have something to do with the fact that, since they cannot bear offspring, they seek to kill the offspring of others in retaliation for the fact that nature has left them so wretched.

Just a thought... :)

16 posted on 11/08/2002 10:27:28 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: ErnBatavia
Ahh yes, Ginsberg's favorite wine, er whine.
17 posted on 11/08/2002 10:31:01 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Sonny M
I sensed this too. One time he absolutely shocked Carolyn Maloney! She was running on and on about someone being anti-choice, or not being pro-choice. Well then Chris M. all of a sudden said something like(not exact quote maybe): "Why don't you call it pro-abortion; because that's what it is, isn't it?"! And I mean it came out so sharply even; almost like he was disgusted.

She looked at him with her mouth hanging open; like he had slapped her silly! I don't know what he's playing, but he gets some liberals in a tizz!
18 posted on 11/08/2002 10:32:30 PM PST by dsutah
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To: Green Knight
"That life DOES in fact begin at conception, and not at birth."

It's an interesting problem, I think. After all, a single cell is alive. Concerning primary - that is, physical - characteristics, no one can argue that a fetus isn't alive.

Of course, what the Stalinists insist on, then, is a definition of life that doesn't include biology (something along the lines of "personhood" or consciousness). Such a definition, however, fails to meet much of a standard, because there are always exceptions to secondary characteristics.

They're been able to convince a lot of people that a fetus isn't alive by force of repetition alone. To anyone who's interested in reason, however, that isn't quite enough. That is what they're afraid of.

19 posted on 11/08/2002 10:32:58 PM PST by Reactionary
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To: Sonny M
Agreed... I have watched Matthews that last couple nights... I think he is a good interviewer... stirring up the issue at hand but he lets people respond, unlike Donahue, who makes me shudder. Did you see Matthews on Donahue? Now that was funny! - The venom between them was real!, not the sparring-type banter of a Hardball interview!
20 posted on 11/08/2002 10:33:53 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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