[Sontagged]

I believe Jesus was born on September 11th, for various reasons; mostly because the Elites and their minions who hate Christians seem to have used this day throughout history to attack Christian targets.

Putting His birthday on the Feast of Trumpets makes absolute sense; it makes wondrous and marvelous sense, actually!

Also, since the weather in Israel is pretty much the same for places on the same latitude around the Earth, there would be no way Joseph and Mary would have been comfortable traveling in the depths of winter to Bethlehem. Too cold. But in late Summer... you betcha.

[looois]

I agree with you. Sometime during month of September. Have been in that neck of the woods. December in Israel is a tad cooler, but also the rainy season. Be hard to see star overhead on a rainy night.

[freedomjusticeruleoflaw]

True.

[amorphous]

To be more precise, instead of September, we should use the month of Tishri on the Hebrew/Jewish calendar, and we should use a restored Hebrew calendar at that (not the modern day Jewish calendar).

The actual day of Yeshua's birth more likely would have been on the 15th day, not the 1st day of Tishri as the author here states, and based on the sighting of the new moon in Israel (when Tishri begins), this puts the birthday of Yeshua (when the Word was made flesh) beginning on the eve of the 25th of September, the start of Sukkot (the feast of Tabernacles).

Either way, sometime around September is far closer to the actual day of His birth than December. :)

[Steve Van Doorn]

said, "their minions who hate Christians seem to have used this day throughout history to attack Christian targets"

Qur'an 9:111 is the ONLY guaranteed way to Islamic haven nearly all other Muslims never will make it no matter how strict they are too their belief according to their Prophet.

Qur'an 9:111 generally says you must die in battle killing Kafir. Better way to put it die in Jihad.

[Just mythoughts]

According to Luke, the conception would have been around December 25th ... I think it is likely the date of the ‘Winter Solstice’, the shortest day of ‘sun’ light was the day that God with us, was place in the womb. Count from there.

The spring equinox marks the passover season, the autumn equinox marks the actual birth.

Wonder what the ‘summer solstice’ marks?

[Glad2bnuts]

I bookmarked this because it is awesome, thank you for this gift.

[vpintheak]

What’s with this BCE junk?

[Rashputin]

Well there ya' go, more ammunition for the folks who want to cancel Christmas because it's a Christian holiday.

Nothing like a different interpretation to support their view, right?

[chuckles]

No, Jesus was born on Tabernacles, not Trumpets. It can be proven Scripturaly, but I'm to lazy to go thorough the verses at 2am. The key is to go to Luke 1:5 and see that Zecharias was in the Temple in the course of Abijah. Then you have to go back to the list of courses set up in the OT and you will find Abijah was the 8th course. Then you have to take into consideration that all the priests were in the Temple 3 times a year. Elizabeth got pregnant with John the Baptist at this course of Abijah. That makes John born 6 months before Jesus. Counting the courses for 9 months gives us Passover for John and Tabernacles for Jesus 6 months later.

In John 1 we are told that The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. That word "dwelt" is actually "tabernacled" and is only used twice in the Bible as dwelt. The Feast of Tabernacles celebrates God living among His people. The Feast of Tabernacles is about God coming to His people. In the future it will denote the thousand year rein of Christ on earth. The "Eighth Day" is right after Tabernacles and is the Millineal Reign.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

If you come up with a date that is after Herod “The Great” was already dead in 4BC, you’re wrong.

My best guess (working with possible resolutions to Luke 2:2) is 8BC or 9BC.

[Bikkuri]

I stopped at. “B.C.E.”.
No Christian would phrase it that way.

[60Gunner]

I don't care when Jesus was born; I rejoice because He was born.

Theologians are generally too distracted with petty details to see the most important thing. They don't care that Jesus stands at the door and knocks; they argue about the wood from which the door was made.

[Dixie Yooper]

I got as far as B.C.E....

[Cvengr]

mark

[Campion]

there would be no way Joseph and Mary would have been comfortable traveling in the depths of winter to Bethlehem

Except, according to the Bible, they didn't have a choice. I think we can safely assume that neither Caesar Augustus nor his governor, Quirinius, cared whether a Galilean carpenter and his pregnant teenage wife were "comfortable".

[Ezekiel]

Fact: the text does not give the birth date. Every theory is an opinion, conjecture.

Fact: the Scripture on the whole paints a picture in which those who are full of their own knowledge, reasoning skills and power have their a$$es handed to them. Pharaoh, Haman, Jezebel just to name a few. Often these folks were tripped up by their very own plots and decrees. Total humiliation. Everything going horribly wrong. A 180 flip from expectations and assumptions, just like with the last presidential election.

If the date could be deduced from the information provided, the answers would not be all over the map. From above, the view [of the longstanding birthdate debates] is of a bunch of people squabbling and duking it out over human theories, instead of accepting the variety of information without forcing a conclusion. As long as people are drawing conclusions, I'd offer that *that* is the reason the date wasn't spelled out... to see whose going to insist that his own opinions are the absolute truth. Some may even insult their fellow man in the process and call him ignorant, or whatever.

Another fact is that Christmas (the holiday) is in December, regardless of the actual birth date of the Messiah. Christmas and December are inseparable times and seasons, meaning that noone has to point out that Christmas is in December, on the 25th. The whole world knows the date, same as it knows that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

So back to the idea of flipped over outcomes...

There's a particular extreme of seasons, appearances, and activities between summer and winter: days at the beach to enjoy the warm sunshine, verses days huddled around the wood stove to endure the long cold snaps. Green grass and flower gardens, verses desolate snowscapes. Obviously opposite visuals.

People love to play off of opposites, so right in the middle of summer, to mix it all up and boost sales, clear inventory, or to stand way out from the usual seasonal offerings and activities, businesses advertise with these sorts of messages:

Of course, being the middle of July, when noone is even thinking about Christmas, much less associating Christmas with July, the signs have to point it out plainly. "Christmas in July". Otherwise nobody would suspect.

Deliberate irony. Some people have no sense of humor.

[sportutegrl]

Yesterday, Free Republic said that Jesus was born in 4 B.C.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3686383/posts

[Ezekiel]

>>>

When Was The “Last Trump”?

The matter does not stop there.

Each of the Jewish months was officially introduced by the blowing of trumpets (Numbers 10:10).

Since the festival year in which all the Mosaic festivals were found was seven months long, the last month (Tishri) was the last month for a festival trumpet.

This is one of the reasons that the day was called “the Day of Trumpets.”

The last trump in the seven months’ series was always sounded on this New Moon day. This made it the final trumpets’ day (Leviticus 23:24; Numbers 29:1). <<<

 

Well okay, but fall is also the time of year when the spring bulbs are planted. Such as: Narcissus

Narcissus is a genus of predominantly spring perennial plants of the Amaryllidaceae (amaryllis) family. Various common names including daffodil,[Note 1] daffadowndilly,[3] narcissus and jonquil are used to describe all or some members of the genus. Narcissus has conspicuous flowers with six petal-like tepals surmounted by a cup- or trumpet-shaped corona. The flowers are generally white or yellow (also orange or pink in garden varieties), with either uniform or contrasting coloured tepals and corona.

Narcissus were well known in ancient civilisation, both medicinally and botanically, but formally described by Linnaeus in his Species Plantarum (1753). The genus is generally considered to have about ten sections with approximately 50 species. The number of species has varied, depending on how they are classified, due to similarity between species and hybridisation. The genus arose some time in the Late Oligocene to Early Miocene epochs, in the Iberian peninsula and adjacent areas of southwest Europe. The exact origin of the name Narcissus is unknown, but it is often linked to a Greek word for intoxicated (narcotic) and the myth of the youth of that name who fell in love with his own reflection. The English word "daffodil" appears to be derived from "asphodel", with which it was commonly compared.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_(plant)

Now when considering the whole planting and planning scheme, timing is everything. Bulbs have widely different bloom times over the course of the spring, so it's important to pay attention to the details in order to get it right. If a gardener intends a lovely display of red tulips interspersed with yellow daffodils, the bloom times need to be coordinated. Early narsissus planted with late tulips = fail.

That's why at this time of year, such information is in plain sight in the store displays, right on the packages so that we know: early spring, mid spring, late spring.

So if I were looking for the latest blooming daffodil, the "last trump" so to speak, in order to maximize my color display into early summer, I'd want to choose the correct variety. I'd really want to seek out a "late bloomer."

Turns out there is one particular old-timer not generally available in stores, known for appearing even as late as June:

Twin Sisters

Narcissus ×medioluteus (syn. Narcissus biflorus), common names Primrose-peerless, April Beauty, Cemetery Ladies, Loving Couples, Pale Narcissus, Twin Sisters, Two-flowered Narcissus, is a flowering plant, which is a naturally occurring hybrid between Narcissus poeticus and Narcissus tazetta (informally called "poetaz hybrid"). It was found initially in the West of France.

This first poetaz narcissus has long been grown as a garden ornamental and has also become naturalised in Great Britain, Ireland, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, the former Yugoslavia, Madeira, New Zealand, and in scattered locales in the eastern United States (Michigan, Illinois, Missouri, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia).[1][2]

The flowers are generally held in pairs, hence the common names "Twin Sisters" and "Loving Couples". The fragrant cream flowers (medioluteus) are smaller than those of Narcissus poeticus. The cup lacks a red edge.[3]

Narcissus × medioluteus

To break that down even further, there's the twin sister who is the elder, and one who is the younger. Hence the late bloomer of the pair - the very last of last trumps - is going to be the second twin. Simple meaning.

I Wandered Lonely as a Cloud

By William Wordsworth

I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.

Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle on the milky way,
They stretched in never-ending line
Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.

The waves beside them danced; but they
Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be gay,
In such a jocund company:
I gazed—and gazed—but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:

For oft, when on my couch I lie
In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye
Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.

The Book of Jasher
Chapter 28

28 And the Lord afterward remembered Adinah (עדינה ) the wife of Laban, and she conceived and bare twin daughters, and Laban called the names of his daughters, the name of the elder Leah, and the name of the younger Rachel.
29 And those people came and told these things to Rebecca, and Rebecca rejoiced greatly that the Lord had visited her brother and that he had got children.

A shir (shiur) and the Redemption:

שיר

A song, or a poem.

In gardening terminology, the last trump is the late bloomer. Twin sisters, cemetary ladies... info rains down from outside the system.

Though April showers may come your way,

They bring the flowers that bloom in May.

So if it's raining, have no regrets,

Because it isn't raining rain you know, it's raining violets.

Rainy seasons. It's a flood. :)

The identity of the dudaim ("mandrakes") is another one of those mysteries. People debate over the genus and species. Same with theologians trying to figure out what Laban's idols were. Something. Nobody knows. The fact in the plain text, though, is that Rachel sat on them.

to "sit on something" (idiom): to hold someone or something back; to delay someone or something

The "manner" of women? Well just read any FR thread when the guys (especially the divorced ones) start in about the way women act, always up to something clever, sneaky.

Genesis 31:34-35 Now Rachel had taken the images, and put them in the camel's furniture, and sat upon them. And Laban searched all the tent, but found them not. 35 And she said to her father, Let it not displease my lord that I cannot rise up before thee; for the custom of women is upon me. And he searched, but found not the images.

It's too much! Any wonder why Rachel was Jacob's soulmate?

The last trump. A trump is a victory through superior strategy, ingenuity - the last thing anyone expects.

Sow the seeds of victory.

[Tzaphon]

The Hebrew calendar is a lunar calendar...

25 Kislev 3756 - Chanukah / Conception of Yeshua

15 Tishri 3757 - Sukkot / Birth of Yeshua
September 14, -4

15 Nisan 3790 - (30 C.E.) Pesach / Crucifixion of Yeshua

Go to the website Your Sky and generate the view from Jerusalem for Passover 30 C.E. The full moon passes right through Virgo (Betulah in Hebrew) literally a birth of the new covenant.

Calendar converter
http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/

Your Sky
http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/

[af_vet_1981]

Also, since the weather in Israel is pretty much the same for places on the same latitude around the Earth, there would be no way Joseph and Mary would have been comfortable traveling in the depths of winter to Bethlehem. Too cold. But in late Summer... you betcha.

Throughout the month of December daytime temperatures will generally reach highs of around 14°C that's about 57°F. At night the average minimum temperature drops down to around 6°C, that's 42°F.

Given that there is no definitive evidence in the New Testament to set a date for Jesus' birth, why bother to try to do so now, after twenty centuries?