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To: jackbenimble
Absolutely correct. The defining difference between the first world and the third world is labor scarcity. In the first world we don't have quite enough and that is a good thing because it means that working people get treated decently, paid well and it results in a strong middleclass

Hmm if that is true why is India and China booming while in Western Europe, where deaths are going to overtake births, the economy is in the tank.

41 posted on 04/22/2005 5:59:09 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
Hmm if that is true why is India and China booming while in Western Europe, where deaths are going to overtake births, the economy is in the tank.

Dane, normally I have no interest in talking to you because I've seen your debate tactics but in this case you asked a respectful question so I'll answer you once.

There are lots of ways to measure economic performance. One would be the size of an economy (measured by GDP) and another would be the standard of living an economy provides for its people (measured by GDP per capita).

China will almost certainly someday soon have the world's largest GDP. It is doing a better job of employing its one abundant resource. But even if it successfully (which it won't) grabs every job in the Western world, it will still have a vast under/un-employed population and those who are employed will not be enjoying our standard of living. They will not enjoy our GDP per capita because labor is the world's most abundant resource and it only takes a fraction of the world's people to produce all the goods and services the world can consume.

China and India have booming economies and Europe is in the economic tank but where would you rather live: India or Italy?

People are voting with their feet and if you look at immigration patterns you will find that they are not running towards India or China.

I am far more interested in maintaining and improving the standard of living for Americans then I am in winning the race for economic growth with China and India. I want to live in the best economy measured by GDP per capita rather than the biggest economy measured by just GDP.

I am not hostile to economic growth or immigration. But the kind of economic growth I want is not the junk growth driven by importing an ignorant population (we import 10,000 people so we build a new Walmart and a new McDonalds). Real wealth is either farmed, mined, invented or manufactured. You cannot consume your way to riches. I am happy to have immigrants that contribute more real wealth than they consume. Ignorant people from the third world don't fall into that category and they drag done rather than drag up our GDP per capita.

50 posted on 04/22/2005 6:35:38 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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