Posted on 05/07/2005 3:20:28 PM PDT by neverdem
Of course, the Nazis were busy recruiting the Baltic into the SS. Or how do you think the Jews of Riga got the bullets in their heads? And for that matter, what do you think happened to the Jews of Berlin after their long train ride to Riga.
Furthermore, the Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian Legions, on their retreat with the rest of the Germans, were there to demolish Warsaw one building at a time.
ms_68's previous claims were that the cities that Poland gobbled up from Kieven Russ in the 1200s were never Kieven Russ but were Poland's for 1000 years (regardless that there was no Poland that far back). Then this guy showed maps of the Roman empire showing there was no Kieven Russ (thus those cities didn't belong to them but to Poland, never mind those cities didn't exist and there was also no Poland in existance). Don't even bother with this guy. Just post evidence to dismiss his claims and be done with it.
Although I don't share your fatalism about the Yalta conference, your analysis of the situation globally at the time certainly rings true, and actions taken need to be evaluated in light of those times, not the present. No one was about to risk any more American lives for the sake of the Bulgarias (or the Latvias) of the world.
Nevertheless, it is bracing to hear the American President announce to the world that the structures of a specious stability are no longer a legitimate substitute for the freedom of self-determination.
Yeah, you showed me maps during the Polish occupation, I showed you maps before the Polish occupation, but you couldn't comprehend that, so you showed me maps from the Roman empire, when Poland also didn't exist. At that point I figured out whom I was dealing with and didn't bother to take you as intellegent.
M-68 sir:). You firstly said that you have United Nation statictics about "2 mlns poles sent to Sibira". Now you have given to me some article of some manipulator- propagandist instead of promised factual statistics of UN.
OK Now I say you didn't concocted it by yourself but you just repeat it after some other propagandist. It means that you just repeater as radio and doesn't include your OWN mind in process.
It is no good for intellegent man.
In the case of France we allied with the exiled Charles de Gaulle and his Free French govt. The French collaborationist govt was either hanged or jailed by de Gaulle.
So take your pro-Nazi the Germans were not so bad revisionist history and shove it.
Greg and m_68 are both just victims of anti-russian propaganda.
I saw it before I recognise a plot.
When I live in USSR I remember people who beleived in commies propaganda. They was "true beleivers" who vehemently shouted on those who put doubts on those propagandist stereotypes.
BUT later when under burden of solid facts their faith crumbled they became another extreme - they become anti-commie propagandists.
Same way propaganda but from different view direction. Now they demonising everything which they beleive before.
I think those two are such case. Any propaganda is propaganda. It is not truth.
Intellegent men doesn't succumb to propaganda.
That is why the Russians view their position as liberating Eastern Europe because it liberated the Slavic people from a race war waging Nazi regime that sought to liquidate and carry out genocide against the Slavic peoples to turn what survived into a race of "slaves" for Germans.
If Yalta did not happen - the Soviets would still have occupied what they occupied but there would have been no legitimacy to their holdings. I don't think it would have changed a thing in the long run but it would not have soiled "our" hands.
I repeat again because I bet most Americans don't remember or know this fact that except for Poland all the Eastern European nations that fell under Soviet occupation were allies with the Nazis.
No American was going to die to save former Nazi allied nations from the (what I am sure most Americans considered the rightful) wrath of the Soviets.
You posted a picture with a fake backstory froma neo-nazi peronista looking website.
The Russians view their position as liberating Eastern Europe because it liberated the Slavic people from a race war waging Nazi regime that sought to liquidate and carry out genocide against the Slavic peoples to turn what survived into a race of "slaves" for Germans.
he is posting from neo-nazi websites.
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