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To: Nicholas Conradin
Any objective observer must report that the universe, if it is the product of conscious design, is clear proof that the designer is incompetent, a blunderer, an all-thumbs amateur who should not be allowed back into the workshop.

Not really. In computer science, there is the concept of genetic or evolutionary algorithms that are designed, not as a direct solution to a problem, but a system in which possible solutions or parts of a solution are thrown together, tested, and the best parts combined until a certain goal is reached.

The result is that there are a lot of useless "solutions" on the way. But that's part of the process of complexity rising from simple parts. Not the process of "an all-thumbs amateur."

In the same way, evolution can be seen a process. Maybe there is an intelligent designer behind it who set it up and gives it nudges along the way. I don't know if there are specific fingerprints on the process we could be looking for.

But the fact is we humans design evolution-like processes that are messy, but work, and that the people who design these processes are not seen as incompetent blunderers. Given a Bible that says man was created in God's image, does it seem so unlikely -- as a philosophical and religious idea, if not necessarily a scientifically provable or disprovable one -- that the methods man uses to create may be images of the method God has used.

18 posted on 05/19/2005 7:20:20 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
'But the fact is we humans design evolution-like processes that are messy, but work, and that the people who design these processes are not seen as incompetent blunderers. Given a Bible that says man was created in God's image, does it seem so unlikely -- as a philosophical and religious idea, if not necessarily a scientifically provable or disprovable one -- that the methods man uses to create may be images of the method God has used.

Not many evolutionists argue that it isn't possible--just that it isn't science.

336 posted on 05/19/2005 1:35:43 PM PDT by donh
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