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Schiavo autopsy shows no sign of trauma, brain half normal size
AP ^ | June 15 2005

Posted on 06/15/2005 8:33:35 AM PDT by george wythe

Terri Schiavo did not suffer any trauma before her 1990 collapse and her brain was about half of normal size when she died, according to results released Wednesday of an autopsy conducted on the severely brain-damaged woman.

Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Jon Thogmartin concluded that there was no evidence of strangulation or other trauma leading to her collapse. He also said she did not appear to have suffered a heart attack and there was no evidence that she was given harmful drugs or other substances prior to her death.

He said she would not have been able to eat or drink if she had been given food by mouth as her parents' requested.

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She was also blind.
1 posted on 06/15/2005 8:33:36 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: george wythe

If she hadn't suffered a heart attack as hubby said, then WHAT caused the initial problem. HUMMMMM.


2 posted on 06/15/2005 8:35:55 AM PDT by marty60
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good question. Who is the pathologist?

nick


3 posted on 06/15/2005 8:37:42 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: george wythe
Schiavo autopsy shows no sign of trauma, brain half normal size

So? You could say the same of Howard Dean. That doesn't mean it'd be right to starve him to death.

4 posted on 06/15/2005 8:38:13 AM PDT by RichInOC ("YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHH!!!")
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To: george wythe
Typical AP selective reporting.

I have less confidence in this report than I do in the Michael Jackson jury's ruling.

At least the trial was conducted in the open, and more than one person examined the evidence.

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

5 posted on 06/15/2005 8:38:13 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: marty60

I believe it was the diet pills she was taking at the time.


6 posted on 06/15/2005 8:38:34 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: marty60

Any medical persons explain how it is her brain shrank to half the size...and if she had been given therapy earlier could that have been avoided?


7 posted on 06/15/2005 8:39:01 AM PDT by DesignerChick
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To: marty60

I believe at one point he said that she hadn't had a heart attack. I forget the details, but I think that has been debunked.


8 posted on 06/15/2005 8:39:02 AM PDT by twigs
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To: george wythe

Since there was no independent review of medical records, no independent witness at the autopsy, no independent medical examination, is it any wonder that the autopsy findings support having removed the feeding tube? Let's be realistic, here. Did anyone really expect anything else? We hoped, but was there any real expectation of anything else?


9 posted on 06/15/2005 8:41:09 AM PDT by Jackson57
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TV station version of the story

The medical examiner, Jon Thogmartin, said Wednesday that no trauma was noted on any of the numerous exams in the days after, weeks after or months after the collapse. No evidence of strangulation was found and her heart was normal. She died of "marked dehydration," she did not starve to death, Thogmartin said. He said she suffered no neglect or abuse. He also said she did not appear to have suffered a heart attack.

Thogmartin said it is possible that caffeine contributed to her collapse because she drank up to one gram of caffeine daily, which was because of the amount of tea she consumed. He said that an eating disorder may not have caused her collapse.

The examiner said that Schiavo got severe osteoporosis after her collapse. He said her bones became "palpably soft" after the collapse.

Thogmartin said her brain was "profoundly atrophied" -- and that the damage was "irreversable." He also said, "The vision centers of her brain were dead" -- meaning she was blind. He said no amount of therapy could have reversed her condition.


10 posted on 06/15/2005 8:42:34 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: RichInOC
Schiavo autopsy shows no sign of trauma, brain half normal size

So? You could say the same of Howard Dean. That doesn't mean it'd be right to starve him to death.

Yes it does.
Pull the plug on Howie.

SO9

11 posted on 06/15/2005 8:43:15 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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...She died of "marked dehydration," ...she suffered no neglect or abuse

Huh?

OK, so apart from being dehydrated to death... she wasn't abused or neglected.

"Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?"

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

12 posted on 06/15/2005 8:45:11 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Jackson57
It's a huge conspiracy.

Every Republican judge who does not agree with the Schindlers' side of the story is a member of the conspiracy.

Every Republican office holder who does not agree with the Schindlers' side of the story is a member of the conspiracy.

Every medical professional who does not agree with the Schindler's side of the story is a member of the conspiracy.

And most Democrats are part of the conspiracy.

Even Jeb Bush might have been a member of the conspiracy; otherwise, why did he refuse to use his executive power to "save" Terri?

13 posted on 06/15/2005 8:47:22 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: Jackson57
Since there was no independent review of medical records, no independent witness at the autopsy, no independent medical examination, is it any wonder that the autopsy findings support having removed the feeding tube? Let's be realistic, here. Did anyone really expect anything else? We hoped, but was there any real expectation of anything else?

Since the Pathologist was a State Employee, ie. he worked for Jeb Bush, not for the Judge or the local authorities or the husband, it seems obvious that it is biased to make her look far more viable than she actually was.

SO9

14 posted on 06/15/2005 8:47:26 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: george wythe

He said she suffered no neglect or abuse.
Obviously he means there is NOTHING wrong with not feeding or giving a drink to a human being.


15 posted on 06/15/2005 8:47:34 AM PDT by trustandobey (Delay 2008!)
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To: Jackson57
Since there was no independent review of medical records, no independent witness at the autopsy, no independent medical examination, is it any wonder that the autopsy findings support having removed the feeding tube? Let's be realistic, here. Did anyone really expect anything else? We hoped, but was there any real expectation of anything else?

I agree, If they wanted to put this controversy to rest, they should have welcomed independent oversight.

Whatever their findings are it's still no excuse to dehydrate a dependent adult to death.

16 posted on 06/15/2005 8:47:37 AM PDT by tertiary01
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brain half normal size
17 posted on 06/15/2005 8:47:56 AM PDT by biblewonk (Yes I think I am a bible worshipper.)
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To: BibChr

You know what he meant. He didn't find any traces of *illegal* neglect or abuse, things not consistent with a standard removal of a feeding tube.


18 posted on 06/15/2005 8:48:09 AM PDT by highball
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To: george wythe
brain half normal size

Stands to reason that death by dehydration would result in significant shrinkage.

19 posted on 06/15/2005 8:51:15 AM PDT by fso301
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To: highball

I don't need irony to be a sledge hammer in order to be struck by it.

Dan


20 posted on 06/15/2005 8:51:57 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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