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To: Hermann the Cherusker; Gerard.P; Rosary; CouncilofTrent; dsc; murphE; sandyeggo; Robert Drobot
Martin Luther, "These church laws hold good only so long as they are not injurious to Christianity and the laws of God. Therefore, if the Pope deserves punishment, these laws cease to bind us, since Christendom would suffer."

Marcel Lefebvre, "In the Church there is no law or jurisdiction which can impose on a Christian a diminution of his faith. All the faithful can and should resist whatever interferes with their faith.... If they are forced with an order putting their faith in danger of corruption, there is an overriding duty to disobey."

Martin Luther, "The Church of Rome, formerly the most holy of all churches, has become . . . the very kingdom of sin, death and hell; so that not even the Antichrist, if he were to come, could desire any addition to its wickedness."

Marcel Lefebvre "The See of Peter and posts of authority in Rome being occupied by Antichrists, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below."

*Give them their due. They ARE traditionalists. Protestant Traditionalists.

157 posted on 09/26/2005 6:58:50 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
Tsk, tsk. There you go again assuming authority to condemn others as Protestants. This authority belongs to the pope and he disagrees with you. You seem to be on a dangerous trajectory towards schism. You should repent and be obedient to the pope.
159 posted on 09/26/2005 7:06:36 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: bornacatholic

Okay pantsless. Now point out the doctrinal falsity in the statements of both Luther and LeFebvfre. Particularly LeFebvre since we know that Luther was a heretic.

Otherwise you are once again blunderously making a guilt by association ploy that any two year old would be able to see. "Jesus was crucified next to two criminals. He must have done something wrong." Spare me little boy.

I predict you won't do it, because, 1) you don't have the guts to face the truth and 2) you don't have what it takes mentally to even attempt it. And 3)Lies are so much easier for you to spread, I'm sure you will continue on this path till you go over the deep end.



172 posted on 09/26/2005 8:43:31 AM PDT by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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To: bornacatholic
Since you disagree so firmly based on reputation without even a thought as to context. It can only be assumed that you disagree with everything that you posted showing similarities (without the differences showing your extreme fairness) between LeFebvre and Luther.

So, let's see what you really believe.

Martin Luther, "These church laws hold good only so long as they are not injurious to Christianity and the laws of God. Therefore, if the Pope deserves punishment, these laws cease to bind us, since Christendom would suffer."

Bornacatholic's belief: "These church laws hold even if they are injurious to Christianity and the laws of God. Therefore, since the Pope can'tdeserve punishment, these laws bind us, even though Christendom would suffer."

Marcel Lefebvre, "In the Church there is no law or jurisdiction which can impose on a Christian a diminution of his faith. All the faithful can and should resist whatever interferes with their faith.... If they are forced with an order putting their faith in danger of corruption, there is an overriding duty to disobey."

Bornacatholic's belief: "In the Church there is a law and jurisdiction which can impose on a Christian a diminution of his faith. All the faithful can and should not resist whatever interferes with their faith.... If they are forced with an order putting their faith in danger of corruption, there is an overriding duty to obey."

Martin Luther, "The Church of Rome, formerly the most holy of all churches, has become . . . the very kingdom of sin, death and hell; so that not even the Antichrist, if he were to come, could desire any addition to its wickedness."

Bornacatholic's belief: "The [c]hurch of Rome, never the most holy of all churches, has not become . . . the very kingdom of sin, death and hell; so that even the Antichrist, if he were to come, would desire any addition to its wickedness. (But so what? Pray, pay and obey." )

Marcel Lefebvre "The See of Peter and posts of authority in Rome being occupied by Antichrists, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below."

Bornacatholic's belief: "The See of Peter and posts of authority in Rome are being occupied by true Christs, the construction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below." ( Cardinal Law, "We love you!" Cardinal Kaspar---oh! swooning.....)

178 posted on 09/26/2005 9:05:10 AM PDT by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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