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To: bornacatholic

"It is the Catholic Church, not a Schism from the Catholic Church, which is correct."

Yes, but the question is, who is in schism: the Mahoneys of the Church, or those who hold to tradition as it was before the Modernists gained so much power?

"although I don't recall any posts from you suggesting the schism is wrong in its scandlaous behavior and charges against Pope, Council,and Mass"

Perhaps if you gave me an example.


44 posted on 09/21/2005 7:07:00 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
Catechism of St. Pius XTH

Q: What is the Catholic Church?

A: The Catholic Church is the Union or Congregation of all the baptized who, still living on earth, profess the same Faith and the same Law of Jesus Christ, participate in the same Sacraments, and obey their lawful Pastors, particularly the Roman Pontiff.

9 Q: State distinctly what is necessary to be a member of the Church?

A: To be a member of the Church it is necessary to be baptized, to believe and profess the teaching of Jesus Christ, to participate in the same Sacraments, and to acknowledge the Pope and the other lawful pastors of the Church.

10 Q: Who are the lawful pastors of the Church?

A: The lawful pastors of the Church are the Roman Pontiff, that is, the Pope, who is Supreme Pastor, and the Bishops. Other priests, also, and especially Parish Priests, have a share in the pastoral office, subject to the Bishop and the Pope.

11 Q: Why do you say that the Roman Pontiff is supreme Pastor of the Church?

A: Because Jesus Christ said to St. Peter, the first Pope: "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatsoever thee shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in Heaven, and whatsoever the shallot loose on earth shall be loosed also in Heaven." And again: "Feed My lambs, feed My sheep."

12 Q: The many societies of persons who are baptized but who do not acknowledge the Roman Pontiff as their Head do not, then, belong to the Church of Jesus Christ?

A: No, those who do not acknowledge the Roman Pontiff as their Head do not belong to the Church of Jesus Christ.

13 Q: How can the Church of Jesus Christ be distinguished from the numerous societies or sects founded by men, and calling themselves Christian?

A: From the numerous societies or sects founded by men and calling themselves Christian, the Church of Jesus Christ is easily distinguished by four marks: She is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.

14 Q: Why is the Church called One?

A: The true Church is called One, because her children of all ages and places are united together in the same faith, in the same worship, in the same law; and in participation of the same Sacraments, under the same visible Head, the Roman Pontiff.

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"although I don't recall any posts from you suggesting the schism is wrong in its scandlaous behavior and charges against Pope, Council,and Mass"

Perhaps if you gave me an example.

* I was asking you for an example of when you corrected the schims's supporters

46 posted on 09/21/2005 7:15:57 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: dsc
Yes, but the question is, who is in schism: the Mahoneys of the Church, or those who hold to tradition as it was before the Modernists gained so much power?

I'll try to make this easy for you dsc; the group that is holding to the 19+ centuries of tradition and are perplexed at what happened to the Church in the last forty years are the ones in schism*. The ones who have NOT done anything that the Pope would excommunicate them for, right up to spending diocesan donations on a homosexual lover are the ones in union with the Church. I mean come on, this isn't rocket science. As you can see by many posters on this forum, it's so simple to see the right and wrong. You must be willingly deciding to remain ignorant.

*The ordination of the four bishops was a schismatic act for which the church blessedly used her rightful authority. The traditions of the church are not the reasons why they are excommunicated.

56 posted on 09/21/2005 11:15:57 AM PDT by TradicalRC (Benedicamus Domino.)
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