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Returning to Dover [evolution trial in Dover, PA: week 2]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 October 2005 | TERESA MCMINN

Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.

On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.

“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”

The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.

Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.

“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”

He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.

“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.

School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.

Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.

“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”

He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.

“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”

Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.

“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.

“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”

She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.

“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”

UPDATE

Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.

At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.

Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”


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To: ml1954
How does one logically adhere to neo-darwinism yet separate oneself from sociobiology?
341 posted on 10/03/2005 6:59:36 PM PDT by Heartlander (Please support colored rubber bracelets and magnetic car ribbons)
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To: wallcrawlr

You latched onto the words of the post. You don't know how ironic your post was...


342 posted on 10/03/2005 6:59:41 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Heartlander

Sorry. I don't get it.


343 posted on 10/03/2005 7:01:30 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Heartlander

Dawkins wrote that article.


344 posted on 10/03/2005 7:01:51 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Junior

Rush always says..."Words mean things".


345 posted on 10/03/2005 7:03:27 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Heartlander

Sociobiology certainly isn't politically correct. Like many other tributaries of science, it has both the left and the right united as enemies. The specific claims of sociobiologists will stand or fall on their own merits. Wishful thinking will not refute them.


346 posted on 10/03/2005 7:18:50 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: wallcrawlr

Rush has a simplistic view of the world. It's the context of the words that "mean things." For example, the word "heart" can mean different things in different contexts.


347 posted on 10/03/2005 7:19:30 PM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: js1138

Four peptides are also out of the question.


348 posted on 10/03/2005 7:25:30 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I'm sick and tired of posting it for you "evolutionists" who have obviously not read the theory you proffess to support.

And in the same post you mischaracterize evolution: The point made is that evolution theory says life created itself.

I'm thrilled that you assume that people that have dedicated their lives to the study of evolution know absolutely nothing compared to you. Aren't we just lucky to have you to tell everyone what the theory really is. Ever taken a college level biology class? Or even high school level? If so, you would know that the theory of evolution says absolutely nothing about "life creating itself". You'd think that those of us that have devoted a decent amount of time to studying it would have caught on to this by now, if it were true. But of course, you know more, so let's all bow down.
349 posted on 10/03/2005 7:25:41 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: b_sharp

DNA and RNA are also just pattterns.


350 posted on 10/03/2005 7:27:43 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: AndrewC

Did you miss the peptides and the proteins? Just kind of raced right by them looking for something you could refute did you?


351 posted on 10/03/2005 7:28:07 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: js1138
Your pic didn't show up.
352 posted on 10/03/2005 7:29:24 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Heartlander
"How does one logically adhere to neo-darwinism yet separate oneself from sociobiology?"

Darwinism, i.e. TOE as modified by genetics, is Neo-Darwinism (I object to using his name, but it often is anyway). This "new synthesis" deals with the effect of genes and genetics on the physical properties of the organism.

Sociobiology as defined by E.O. Wilson extends genetics to the behavior of the organism, and by similarity, the effect of evolution on behavior. Some characteristics that are not physical clearly have a genetic piece to them (such as intelligence), but behavior in humans, especially, is so complicated that a solid link between Sociobiology and Evolution is difficult to establish. Your question is silly. Studying Evolution is for establishing relationships between organisms and the "origin of species". It has a strong genetic piece. Genetics and Behavior is another separate field. It's the same as studying Abiogenesis and Evolution. Clearly successful abiogenesis will lead to some overlap with evolution, but until abiogenesis is much better understood, they operate separately. So, until Sociobiology is better established it must operate spearately from evolution because the overlap bewteen them at the present is not clear. (rambles a bit, but I'm comfortable with it).

353 posted on 10/03/2005 7:30:07 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: b_sharp; AndrewC
Just kind of raced right by them looking for something you could refute did you?

Previous experience tells me not to expect much more out of him.
354 posted on 10/03/2005 7:30:37 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas (Deity in training.)
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To: b_sharp

Must have exceeded the bandwidth of the account.


355 posted on 10/03/2005 7:32:19 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: b_sharp
Did you miss the peptides and the proteins?

Nope, because I've seen that experiment years ago(jennyp posted it) and it is a farce as far as a potential life precursor.

Name the protein. That is all I ask. Then we can discuss what the experiment involving the named chemical "proves" or demonstrates. That is called discussion. But I find that you don't want to do that. All you seem to want to do is cite some thing and assert a definite answer to what the citation means.

356 posted on 10/03/2005 7:33:15 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: Vive ut Vivas

Anything important to say? Or are you just spouting off?


357 posted on 10/03/2005 7:35:40 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: js1138
"DNA and RNA are also just patterns.

Really? You mean they are self-replicating patterns? Who'd a guessed.

358 posted on 10/03/2005 7:37:16 PM PDT by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Every single anthropologist admits that there is no transitional record.

I don't admit that. I think there are lots of transitional fossils in the record. Didn't I post one to you on a previous thread, with a nice color picture?

359 posted on 10/03/2005 7:40:03 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Junior
For example, the word "heart" can mean different things in different contexts.

Typical liberal relativism.
360 posted on 10/03/2005 7:43:42 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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