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Returning to Dover [evolution trial in Dover, PA: week 2]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 October 2005 | TERESA MCMINN

Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.

On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.

“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”

The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.

Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.

“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”

He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.

“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.

School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.

Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.

“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”

He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.

“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”

Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.

“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.

“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”

She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.

“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”

UPDATE

Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.

At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.

Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”


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To: general_re
Allow me to translate - "if the court agrees that ID is unscientific junk, we'll never be able to get funded, especially with government money."

Government money is peanuts compared to what religious organizations would contribute to any research that showed the promise of revealing a creator/designer. But the Discovery Institute has tipped its hand by revealing there is no such research, and no prospects for such research.

441 posted on 10/04/2005 8:31:28 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: furball4paws

My life aint devoted to outing every new person that decides to join the thread.

Unlike you I'm not paranoid about running background checks on everyone.

If you want a closed discussion go open your own chat room on yahooo (its free) and yap, yap, yap away all day.

Until then...


Hello...I'm right here!!


442 posted on 10/04/2005 8:32:09 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Ichneumon

I guess I need to translate my "sheesh" for the benefit of others.


Sheesh = some people work hard at trying to get back on these Fr threads after they've already had some history here in the past.

You evo fella's (& occasional ladies) need to realize how much love others have for you.


443 posted on 10/04/2005 8:35:57 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: wallcrawlr
Oh my! We are testy aren't we. Why don't you read my post and then read your response and try to find a connection. I can't.

Tee Hee Hee, a bug in his ear? or a burr under his saddle? or maybe need some Preparation H?

444 posted on 10/04/2005 8:37:40 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: js1138; PatrickHenry; Right Wing Professor; general_re; furball4paws; VadeRetro; Physicist; ...

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445 posted on 10/04/2005 8:43:41 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: js1138
Government money is peanuts compared to what religious organizations would contribute to any research that showed the promise of revealing a creator/designer.

Yeah, but that's no good - they want the imprimatur of science, such that their theological meanderings are defined as "science", with the legitimacy attendant to that. IOW, they want to join the club, and they'd really like it if the courts made it so they could join without paying any dues or otherwise meeting the membership requirements.

446 posted on 10/04/2005 8:44:25 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: Ichneumon
Ret_medic has left the building ...

As soon as they start to build up a ping list, the thing starts to disintegrate. Just like the case for creationism. Gotta admire their determination.

447 posted on 10/04/2005 8:45:57 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Mine is doing just fine.


448 posted on 10/04/2005 8:46:54 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: furball4paws

449 posted on 10/04/2005 8:47:30 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Ichneumon
Pretty good, but I really hate Tom Tomorrow, even in the rare cases where I agree with him. Like Doonesbury without the rapier wit.
450 posted on 10/04/2005 8:49:33 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Ichneumon

[Thunderous applause!]


451 posted on 10/04/2005 8:50:59 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: wallcrawlr

I've experienced the blistering and scathing "love" creationists supposedly have for us over the past seven years. The only "love" many seem to exhibit is the love of seeing us burning forever in the Lake of Fire.


452 posted on 10/04/2005 8:56:25 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: js1138
Like Doonesbury without the rapier wit.

In other words, like Doonesbury.

453 posted on 10/04/2005 8:56:40 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re
Yeah, but that's no good - they want the imprimatur of science, such that their theological meanderings are defined as "science", with the legitimacy attendant to that. IOW, they want to join the club, and they'd really like it if the courts made it so they could join without paying any dues or otherwise meeting the membership requirements.

Exactly. Note the "How about I just smite thee" cartoon in the post before yours, and how the creationist's clothing and briefcase implies that he's a lawyer, forcing his way in by court action.

454 posted on 10/04/2005 9:09:45 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: general_re

You're just too sharp for me.


455 posted on 10/04/2005 9:19:25 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Ichneumon
You left out my favorite, by the best cartoonists on the web:


456 posted on 10/04/2005 9:20:05 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Bring back Modernman AND SeaLion AND Mylo!)
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To: Ichneumon

Great cartoons!


457 posted on 10/04/2005 9:29:05 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!)
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To: Junior
7 years huh? Thats quite a commitment.
Soooo...youre kinda bitter about all that fire talk then...



Btw, thats another blanket accusation. I feel {insert daschole saddened pic} for others that dont make it to heaven...a true Christian would not get joy in seeing anyone go to hell.

I will not apologize for others. I can only say thats too bad it happened. I was not a part of that old stuff yet I receive the heat because of it.
458 posted on 10/04/2005 9:31:40 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: plain talk
You are assuming that with your (man's) limited understanding you can discern "typo's" in the first place.

If we can't understand "typos" how can we possibly tell design?

459 posted on 10/04/2005 9:38:15 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: Ichneumon
I could never get into collage, I don't like the smell of the paste.

ROFL!

Once you gets edumucated, youll lern yerself that evilutionst is wrong!

460 posted on 10/04/2005 9:46:40 AM PDT by RightWingNilla
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