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To: js1138
The similarity is that when you mock ID you are accused of mocking religion.

You know what, I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE! Here in these threads we have half the anti-evos insisting that ID is just pure science, and has nothing to do with that religious creationism stuff; and the other half throwing tantrums about us evos being "anti-God," often when and because we criticize or dismiss ID.

Now it will be interesting to notice if there aren't some individuals that take BOTH positions!

512 posted on 12/04/2005 10:11:13 AM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Stultis
You know what, I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE! Here in these threads we have half the anti-evos insisting that ID is just pure science, and has nothing to do with that religious creationism stuff; and the other half throwing tantrums about us evos being "anti-God," often when and because we criticize or dismiss ID. Now it will be interesting to notice if there aren't some individuals that take BOTH positions!

There are loads of contradictions on the ID/creationism side. I don't know if the same person presents both sides of the contradiction, but I don't know why they wouldn't. Some examples:

The regularity of the world proves a designer.
Irregularities and improbabilities prove a designer.

The Designer designed everything.
We can spot design when we see it.

Life is impossible, therefore ID.
The universe is made for life, therefore ID.

Evolution causes communism.
Evolution causes fascism.
Evolution causes the evils of capitalism.

Anything found in the wild is evidence of Intelligent Design; and your theories mean nothing unless you can actually produce something in the lab.
Anything people deliberately do in a lab is obviously evidence of Intelligent Design; and such tinkering tells us nothing about what happens in the wild.

518 posted on 12/04/2005 10:27:52 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Stultis
You know what, I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE! Here in these threads we have half the anti-evos insisting that ID is just pure science, and has nothing to do with that religious creationism stuff; and the other half throwing tantrums about us evos being "anti-God," often when and because we criticize or dismiss ID. Now it will be interesting to notice if there aren't some individuals that take BOTH positions!

There are loads of contradictions on the ID/creationism side. I don't know if the same person presents both sides of the contradiction, but I don't know why they wouldn't. Some examples:

The regularity of the world proves a designer.
Irregularities and improbabilities prove a designer.

The Designer designed everything.
We can spot design when we see it.

Life is impossible, therefore ID.
The universe is made for life, therefore ID.

Evolution causes communism.
Evolution causes fascism.
Evolution causes the evils of capitalism.

Anything found in the wild is evidence of Intelligent Design; and your theories mean nothing unless you can actually produce something in the lab.
Anything people deliberately do in a lab is obviously evidence of Intelligent Design; and such tinkering tells us nothing about what happens in the wild.

521 posted on 12/04/2005 10:29:47 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Stultis

See the post after yours and anything by RussP.


533 posted on 12/04/2005 10:52:02 AM PST by Gumlegs
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