Posted on 12/27/2005 8:38:08 AM PST by Teófilo
>> then I am going to be called an Anti-Catholic Troll and your do-gooder Troll squad will no doubt push the abuse button and ping the moderator and do all within your power to have me banned.<<
You can doubt that any in our Troll Hunting Group will hit an abuse button on you to your hearts content. We don't do that, we put exclaimation points on your posts and let them stand for what they are.
And again, the invitation stands to call me to any Catholic coming to a post aimed at Protestants to evangelize you. I may not be able to back your beliefs, but sure as I sit here I will defend your right not to be insulted for having them.
Go to this thread...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1547960/posts
They are wonderful and insightful. I read them sometimes too, but find another thread with a Catholic theme that has the Religion Mod setting the rules. It doesn't happen, which is just fine because we take care of it the best we can.
Here is the Catholic mirror...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1548166/posts
Note that a Religion mod is not quoted here. Again, we do what we can.
Not my tattling to Mom (or Mod) but pointing it out.
I'm not looking for an answer, so please don't consider yourself pinged. Just FYI.
Given that this thread was an open challenge to the "Prots," it is hypocritical for you to complain about us showing up.
Already answered. Yeshua's God-nature pre-existed Mary, because God is Eternal and unbegotten. Only Yeshua's Man-nature was born through Mary.
Sorry.
finger check fixed.
Oh, please. Do a search on my screename and go back a few months. I've been "persecuted" plenty around here, by your rather broad use of the term. And if your definition of "persecution" is "any Biblical disagreement with Catholic doctrine," you are much too thin-skinned to make it as a Freeper. Have you ever seen the Creavo threads? Have you ever seen the GRPL vs. the Neeners threads?
It is the Catholics who resort to ad-hominems ("Catholic basher! Troll!"), not the Protestants. There are also far more Catholic threads "bashing" Protestant beliefs than vice-versa--and when you see us, it's nearly always in response to such a thread.
In short, get off your cross, and if you can't stand the heat, please vacate the kitchen. FR is an equal-opportunity offender, where everyone has a right to have their beliefs challenged.
Then you deny the Incarnation itself. The Word was made flesh.
BS. If you said Judaism is a false religion, there would be hell to pay.
Agreed, and if no further inference was made from the title, it wouldn't be a big deal.
Oh, please. Do a search on my screename and go back a few months. I've been "persecuted" plenty around here, by your rather broad use of the term. And if your definition of "persecution" is "any Biblical disagreement with Catholic doctrine," you are much too thin-skinned to make it as a Freeper. Have you ever seen the Creavo threads? Have you ever seen the GRPL vs. the Neeners threads?
It is the Catholics who resort to ad-hominems ("Catholic basher! Troll!"), not the Protestants. There are also far more Catholic threads "bashing" Protestant beliefs than vice-versa--and when you see us, it's nearly always in response to such a thread.
In short, get off your cross, and if you can't stand the heat, please vacate the kitchen. FR is an equal-opportunity offender, where everyone has a right to have their beliefs challenged.
Again, your attempts to read Mary into the Ark are pure eisegesis (reading one's preconceptions into Scripture), not exegesis (reading from the Scripture). But that was the subject of another thread, and I'm not going to repeat the whole debate here.
Indeed, the most telling thing of all is how little Scripture mentions Mary. If the Apostles venerated her half as much as the modern Catholic does, they could hardly have helped speaking of her in their every epistle, since they would have to explain her not only to the Greek mind, but most especially to the Hebrew, which would flee from Marian-veneration as pagan worship as a matter of pure reflex. Funny that neither Matthew, nor Hebrews, nor James, all written distinctly to the Jews, establishes such a practice--nor does any Gospel or epistle at all!
Thank you for proving my point as to why there can be no true fellowship between Rome and Biblical Christians.
So you think that the Eternal God did not exist before Mary did?
Yet Catholics can bash Protestants all day long--and still make the claim that only Catholics get "persecuted" here with a straight face.
There's a huge difference between name-calling - which is something some Catholics on here are guilty of - and stating your belief that Catholics are idolaters, which reeks of the anti-Catholic propaganda which has been preached by Protestants since the dawn of Martin Luther.
You can't seem to comprehend that Mary has a threefold relationship with the Trinity - Daughter/Creature, Mother, and Spouse.
Now, various modern sects don't understand that, since obviously the Eternal Son as well as the entire Holy Trinity pre-existed Mary. For guidance they should read the fathers of the Church and pray. St. John the Damascene is a good start, AN EXACT EXPOSITION OF THE ORTHODOX FAITH, BOOK I.
The views contrary to the Ephesian Canons are anathema not because I in my arrogance declare them such, but because, for over a millenium and a half, which is virtually since as soon as they were formulated, they have been. It is a historical fact. The Christian way to deal with anathemized views, should you have them, is to drop them, and then struggle for explanations, and the explanation will come, God willing.
(*) Interestingly, if Mary is construed to be the mother of the Second person but not mother of God, then that would put her in a singular relation with the Second Person compared to the other Persons. Then she would be a fourth person of God, which is probably far from the neo-nestorians' intention.
>>Yet Catholics can bash Protestants all day long--and still make the claim that only Catholics get "persecuted" here with a straight face.<<
I have to ask you to show a reference where a Catholic STARTED bashing Protestant beliefs, before any reference to how wrong we are. Scripture or not.
As I said, I may not be able to defend your beliefs but I will defend your right NOT to be insulted for having them.
My husband is searching. A lifelong Protestant, he is looking at what we have to offer. The posted article states clearly that it is for people like him. You are strong in your relationship with Christ. Why do you care?
You put words in my mouth. The Trinity is undivided and uncreated. Jesus is the Second Person. He is true God and true man. To say Mary is only the Mother of His human "part" is to deny that the Word made Flesh. Words have consequences.
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