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Government Goons Murder Puppies!The drug war goes to the dogs.
Reason ^ | April 2006 | Radley Balko

Posted on 04/05/2006 12:57:02 PM PDT by JTN

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1 posted on 04/05/2006 12:57:04 PM PDT by JTN
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2 posted on 04/05/2006 12:58:09 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: Wolfie

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3 posted on 04/05/2006 12:58:45 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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For the most part, the war on drugs is a local communities way of receiving extra cash and assets siezed in their raids.


4 posted on 04/05/2006 1:00:12 PM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Bank Robber means Wealth Redistribution)
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To: JTN
The operation ended with the targeted home in flames and exactly one suspect in custody—for outstanding traffic violations.

D@mn.

5 posted on 04/05/2006 1:03:18 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: JTN
I've noticed that JBT's tend to be real pussies by nature. Take the body armor for example. There are soldiers in Iraq just months out of basic training with mmuch less.

I too have noticed how scared they are of dogs too.

6 posted on 04/05/2006 1:03:48 PM PDT by jmc813 (I Thessalonians 5:9-11)
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To: MadeInAmerica

I thought it was a convenient way of asserting absolute police power and setting the precedent that we really have no rights.


7 posted on 04/05/2006 1:04:49 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Since all politicians understand is money, I donate ONLY to those who oppose illegal immigration)
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To: JTN
But when the speaker mentions that the government also slaughtered two dogs during the siege, eyes light up, the indifferent get angry, and skeptics come around. Puppycide, apparently, goes too far.

Whatever it takes to wake people up, I guess....but D@MN it irritates me that so many people care more about the welfare of animals than they do humans.
8 posted on 04/05/2006 1:05:54 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: thoughtomator

I thought it was a convenient way of asserting absolute police power and setting the precedent that we really have no rights.
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No doubt about that.....


9 posted on 04/05/2006 1:07:01 PM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Bank Robber means Wealth Redistribution)
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To: JTN

It's SOP for the thugs to shoot the dogs during a raid. Makes ya proud, don't it?


10 posted on 04/05/2006 1:07:25 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: jmc813

Concur. In Columbine they cowered outside while innocent schoolkids were being shot.


11 posted on 04/05/2006 1:07:58 PM PDT by paddles
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To: paddles

You don't expect them to go into harm's way do you?

Now, if only a teacher had been armed...


12 posted on 04/05/2006 1:09:05 PM PDT by jbenedic2 (Nothing new for the New York Times)
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To: JTN
I know that officers may reasonably fear a large, unknown dog that is coming at them in a hostile manner, but that probably doesn't fit these scenarios.

If someone came sneaking up on the house at night, especially a group of people sneaking with guns, my 2 big dogs would naturally assume someone was up to no good, and they would protect their humans.

I hope none of this ever happens, believe me. I can't say what I'd do if my dogs were shot because I would get banned.

13 posted on 04/05/2006 1:14:40 PM PDT by Sender (As water has no constant form, there are in war no constant conditions. Be without form. -Sun Tzu)
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To: paddles
"In Columbine they cowered outside while innocent schoolkids were being shot."

Regardless of what I think about the tactics discussed here, your statement is totally untrue. I'm not sure if it is an outright lie or just your ignorance.
14 posted on 04/05/2006 1:14:43 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: JTN
Among other weapons, it used tear gas and an armored personnel carrier that later rolled down the street and smashed into a car. The operation ended with the targeted home in flames and exactly one suspect in custody—for outstanding traffic violations.

I have long maintained that the underlying motive for the WOD is the militarization of our local police forces.

Look at the evidence. Just about every locale has a police force that has a stockpile of body armor and AR-15s.
What the hell does Maricopa County, Arizona need an APC for?

15 posted on 04/05/2006 1:19:32 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Pain is nothing. Pain is weakness leaving the body.)
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To: JTN

Its an interesting (albeit disturbing) commentary on American society that its the dogs that garner sympathy.

I have to admit I'm not imune to that either. The general tendency is to picture the "perp" as somehow deserving of his problems - whether or not he really was.


16 posted on 04/05/2006 1:20:19 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: beezdotcom
D@MN it irritates me that so many people care more about the welfare of animals than they do humans.

Dogs are toally loyal to their owners and their lives revolve around us. Psycologically, people have more of an emotional reaction to a dog being shot. The same would apply to certain humans. If a baby were shot and killed, people would be more appalled than if a 25 year-old were.

17 posted on 04/05/2006 1:20:35 PM PDT by jmc813 (I Thessalonians 5:9-11)
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To: MadeInAmerica
For the most part, the war on drugs is a local communities way of receiving extra cash and assets siezed in their raids.

Yea Man! Them cops are always haslin us honest citizens, just because we're cookin up a little meth, or enjoying a few rocks of crack. Why don't they concentrate on all those wild eyed robbers that will shoot a store clerk for $20, instead of picking on us (inhale) honest dudes. Anybody know where I can get $300 quick? I really need it.

18 posted on 04/05/2006 1:21:43 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: jmc813

Thank you! Well put, and needed to be said.


19 posted on 04/05/2006 1:22:57 PM PDT by NordP (I've seen enough "24" to know there are many things a President cannot talk about, yet must do.)
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To: SampleMan

Thank you for your very valuable contribution.


20 posted on 04/05/2006 1:24:04 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: beezdotcom

Please focus your anger for those of us that can't bear to see little puppies hurt, in the right direction...to those horrible thugs that did this - and we'll BOTH win.


21 posted on 04/05/2006 1:26:01 PM PDT by NordP (I've seen enough "24" to know there are many things a President cannot talk about, yet must do.)
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To: SampleMan

For the most part, the war on drugs is a local communities way of receiving extra cash and assets siezed in their raids.
Yea Man! Them cops are always haslin us honest citizens, just because we're cookin up a little meth, or enjoying a few rocks of crack. Why don't they concentrate on all those wild eyed robbers that will shoot a store clerk for $20, instead of picking on us (inhale) honest dudes. Anybody know where I can get $300 quick? I really need it.
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Tell you what sparky...drive thru TX, MS, GA, FL, AR, MO with $3000 in cash in your pocket and see if you still have it when you exit the states. If you get pulled over...you won't


22 posted on 04/05/2006 1:33:20 PM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Bank Robber means Wealth Redistribution)
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To: HairOfTheDog

ping


23 posted on 04/05/2006 1:35:26 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: jmc813; beezdotcom; thoughtomator
I love dogs too, but the thug stepping on the head of baby during a search for drugs trumps the puppy slaughter in my book.

When are people going to wake up and call for an end to this government sanctioned violence?

As thoughtomator says above, the precedent has been set - we have no rights in this country anymore when the JBTs can literally walk over your babies and kill your puppies because you may or may not have some contraband.
24 posted on 04/05/2006 1:35:42 PM PDT by citizenK (petit tyranny is still tyranny)
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To: Sender

Although I'm sure to catch heck for my #18 post. I agree with you. In fact, after the Ruby Ridge incident, I have wondered many times about the act of preimptively shooting someone's dog. If my dog were shot in such a scenario I would consider it an attack on my life (why else kill the dog). If the police were to mistakely raid my house, I knew it was the police as they came in, and they shot my dog, I'd wait until charges had been dropped, reparations made, and then I'd go find the policemen, while he was off duty, and get my self arrested for assault.

I find this whole business of shooting dogs however, to be a completely separate issue from enforcing the laws against illegal drugs.


25 posted on 04/05/2006 1:37:22 PM PDT by SampleMan
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Joe Arpaio, self-proclaimed “toughest sheriff in America.”

My face turned purple when I saw the "Penn & Teller's Bullsh!t" episode about the WOD, where this arrogant piece of crap was defending prohibition. What makes him "tough"? Is he a 10th-degree black belt, a Golden Gloves champion, a war hero -- or just a heavily armed government bully?

As for the dogs...I'm torn on who's more deserving of the label "dogs" - the family pets, or the psychotic WOD invaders who break in and kill those pets.

26 posted on 04/05/2006 1:38:04 PM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: beltfed308
The operation ended with the targeted home in flames and exactly one suspect in custody—for outstanding traffic violations.

D@mn.

That'll teach you to obey traffic regulations.

27 posted on 04/05/2006 1:39:00 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
What the hell does Maricopa County, Arizona need an APC for?

Probably because the local crack houses are hardened to the point that you need one to make entry.

Or it could be watching the experience of the LAPD in the Hollywood shootout having officers down and no way to reach them.

28 posted on 04/05/2006 1:41:01 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: freepatriot32

No thanks... I love dogs and hate police mistakes and police misuse of force as much as anyone... but this is just an anti-cop hit piece.


29 posted on 04/05/2006 1:41:46 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: MadeInAmerica

How did you know my name was Sparky? I live in Florida, grew up in Missouri (return regularly), and drive through Georgia on a regular basis. I've never had money taken from me by the police. Nor have I been detained for a search.

I do however have to chase crack heads off of my investment properties though, and never work on one anymore without being armed.


30 posted on 04/05/2006 1:43:00 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: JTN

A BATF agent testified before Congress that they shot the Branch Davidians' dog and her puppies. This was before the human to human gunfight started.

The MSM decided to ignore this.


31 posted on 04/05/2006 1:44:31 PM PDT by Poincare
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To: jmc813
I've noticed that JBT's tend to be real pussies by nature.

I agree. People of limited skill, limited intelligence who are emboldened by a gun and a badge. I wonder if JBT raids are more common in "gun free" states like CA and the northeast corridor? I know that if someone came crashing through my door they would be met with a serious amount of return fire regardless of what they were wearing.
32 posted on 04/05/2006 1:45:31 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
No thanks... I love dogs and hate police mistakes and police misuse of force as much as anyone... but this is just an anti-cop hit piece.

You think the actions of the police in the situations described in the article were appropriate?

33 posted on 04/05/2006 1:45:48 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: SampleMan
I find this whole business of shooting dogs however, to be a completely separate issue from enforcing the laws against illegal drugs.

If crack and meth houses were not always guarded by pits and rots police would not be shooting them. Cops do not like to discharge their firearms as it results in hours of paperwork and potential liability.

Remember this story comes from Slate so you can assume that 90% of it is BS.

34 posted on 04/05/2006 1:48:59 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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Regardless of what I think about the tactics discussed here, your statement is totally untrue. I'm not sure if it is an outright lie or just your ignorance.

Yeah right. What he said is common knowledge. You have evidence to the contrary?

35 posted on 04/05/2006 1:50:07 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: SampleMan

Sorry, make that "Reason" but it the same as Slate.


36 posted on 04/05/2006 1:50:29 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: usurper
Remember this story comes from Slate

Um ... No, it doesn't.

38 posted on 04/05/2006 1:51:11 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: HairOfTheDog
but this is just an anti-cop hit piece.

I disagree. The article castigates the tactics of killing family dogs during drug raids. It happens so often that I suspect it is part of their training, part of securing the premises. Kill the dogs before they attack you for invading their territory. It's also a great way to shock people in the home you are invading, to cripple them emotionally, and make them more compliant during the "heat of battle" (so-to-speak).

If you are going to say this is an anti-cop piece, then any article highlighting the abuses of police during drug raids is an anti-cop hit piece. This story is not credible? Frankly, with the shift in policing from "keeping the peace" to paramilitarization, it's the police who lack credibility in our so-called free society.

39 posted on 04/05/2006 1:53:39 PM PDT by citizenK (petit tyranny is still tyranny)
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To: JTN
During the Clinton administration we called them "jack-booted thugs". Guess that ain't PC no more.

Please add me to the libertarian list. Thanks!

40 posted on 04/05/2006 1:54:09 PM PDT by The Shootist
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kill the dog is standard policy on any LEO raid. a dog is considered the first line of defense of any home. the dog is silenced before anything else happens in a raid. agents are not worried about being attacked by the dog, they are worried that the dog may alert the owner.
i didn't see it mentioned yet, but randy weaver's dog was shot first at ruby ridge also.


41 posted on 04/05/2006 1:54:35 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: SampleMan

How did you know my name was Sparky? I live in Florida, grew up in Missouri (return regularly), and drive through Georgia on a regular basis. I've never had money taken from me by the police. Nor have I been detained for a search.

I do however have to chase crack heads off of my investment properties though, and never work on one anymore without being armed.
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Did you have large sums of cash on you? Stuff a few thousand in your pocket, get pulled over for speeding and see how that works out. Over half the time...you will have to petition the courts to have your money returned. I know 3 insurance adjusters that have had to do this within the last 5 years in MS alone.


42 posted on 04/05/2006 1:54:43 PM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Bank Robber means Wealth Redistribution)
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To: Poincare
...before the human to human gunfight started.

Change "gunfight" to "gunfire" since it was rather one-sided.

43 posted on 04/05/2006 1:55:28 PM PDT by Poincare
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To: JTN
Certainly not the way they're written, no. Some of them may be downright egregious behavior... some might have considerable artistic license taken on the facts, and some might be just plain made up for all any of us know.

A dozen individual unrelated accusations gathered in one editorial is clearly designed to inflame people as if cops all over this country are going out of their way to kill puppies, apparently just for the fun of it.

I support holding law enforcement to a high standard because we pay them to do a tough job and we want them to be good at that job. I do NOT support cop bashing even when it's trying to tug at my dog-lovin' heartstrings.
45 posted on 04/05/2006 1:58:47 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: beezdotcom

animals don't have a voice. We are their voice and the only one they have to protect them. If we won't, then who will?

I love my dogs more than most people. They'll always be true, they'll never lie, they are always there when you are down, they'll never yell at you and no matter how much you yell at them, not matter what you do to them, they will unconditionally love you. and when they die, a piece of you dies with them.

I'm a firm believer that you can judge the character of a person by the way he treats his dog. I don't have much respect for people who have no respect for an innocent life that appears to be less worthy than their own. Because it wanders around on 4 feet doesn't make it any less God's creature.


46 posted on 04/05/2006 1:59:09 PM PDT by immigration lady (Defeat is momentary)
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To: Old_Mil
I wonder if JBT raids are more common in "gun free" states like CA and the northeast corridor?

I don't know for sure, but I'd bet they are, for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

47 posted on 04/05/2006 2:03:49 PM PDT by jmc813 (I Thessalonians 5:9-11)
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To: MadeInAmerica

Why are they emptying their pockets without a search warrant? Likely something here I'd completely agree with you about.

My point is that I don't connect the dots on bad cops = legalize drugs, which is what seemed to be getting advocated. Completely separate issues. If drugs are legalized, the bad cop issue still isn't addressed.


48 posted on 04/05/2006 2:06:03 PM PDT by SampleMan
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To: immigration lady

Your #46 is one of the best FR posts I've read in a long time. What you wrote was what I was trying to convey in post 17.


49 posted on 04/05/2006 2:06:13 PM PDT by jmc813 (I Thessalonians 5:9-11)
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To: MadeInAmerica

Gotta go coach soccer. I'll check in later.


50 posted on 04/05/2006 2:06:47 PM PDT by SampleMan
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