[Humble Servant]

Personally, I do believe that evolution makes sense and is supported by the evidence. But, as an agnostic, I am very, very disturbed by the vitriolic fervor with which anyone who believes otherwise is attacked. I never see the pro-evolutionists reasoning calmly with the evidence on their side, but rather, storming around like the villagers in Young Frankenstein, relying on inflamed passions and demagoguery. (Someone please tell me I spelled that right). I also hate to see the supporters of evolution deny the existence of any scientist who thinks that there must have been some conscious plan for so complex a world. When one denies the existence of that which I've talked to, someone's going to be discredited. And it ain't gonna be me.

[Physicist]

I never see the pro-evolutionists reasoning calmly with the evidence on their side,

Never? Really?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"I never see the pro-evolutionists reasoning calmly with the evidence on their side, but rather, storming around like the villagers in Young Frankenstein, relying on inflamed passions and demagoguery."

You need to read more carefully then.

"I also hate to see the supporters of evolution deny the existence of any scientist who thinks that there must have been some conscious plan for so complex a world."

I'd hate that too, if it were true one of us said that.

"When one denies the existence of that which I've talked to, someone's going to be discredited. And it ain't gonna be me."

You'll get discredited by making one-sided attacks that show you either have barely read these threads or you have a stake in one side in particular that clouds your ability to make objective observations.

[Senator Bedfellow]

I never see the pro-evolutionists reasoning calmly with the evidence on their side, but rather, storming around like the villagers in Young Frankenstein, relying on inflamed passions and demagoguery.

I wonder if you could come up with, oh, one thread that supports your belief that such a thing "never" happens. One thread that relies on "inflamed passions and demagoguery", and contains not a single example of "pro-evolutionists reasoning calmly with the evidence on their side". Just one thread.

I also hate to see the supporters of evolution deny the existence of any scientist who thinks that there must have been some conscious plan for so complex a world.

I'd hate to see that too. On the other hand, I wonder if you can name one poster who's done so. Just one poster.

Thanks.

[doc30]

I also hate to see the supporters of evolution deny the existence of any scientist who thinks that there must have been some conscious plan for so complex a world.

One of the problems is that, like the article claims, many people do not have basic scientific literacy, yet they try to argue science with scientists. It's like bringing a knife to a gun fight. The scientists are faced with arguements that are below a freshman level in a lot of areas and the non-scientists lack sufficent versing to comprehend the arguements made by scientists. Frustration boils up on both sides and you get a situation where PatrickHenry has to remind everyone to be civil.

There is no problem with thinking there is a creative hand in our existence, but the problem comes when people try to introduce it as science. There is no evidence for it and, if one argues complexity, then there must also be an explanation for what this creative source is and how it operates. ID is an interesting philosophical concept, but does not rise to the level of science. Only those who do not understand the nature of science do not comprehend this situation.

[ml1954]

You must have missed the (tens of?) thousands of times in this forum when those who are pro-evo have been either called or equated with Communists, Nazis, etc. and blamed for all that is presently ill with society and the world, not to mention responsible for the massacre of hundreds of millions in the 20th century.

And I'm only scratching the surface of the things blamed on 'evolution' on this forum.

[DoctorMichael]

".......I never see the pro-evolutionists reasoning calmly with the evidence on their side, but rather, storming around like the villagers in Young Frankenstein, relying on inflamed passions and demagoguery......."

Surely you're either joking or grossly uninformed? I merely refer you any of the posts of Ichneumon(or others) who are extremely patient in their presentation of the facts. Come back and make statements like the above after you've read them.

For instance:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1616059/posts?page=82#82

.....or:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1616059/posts?page=85#85

.....or:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1616059/posts?page=78#78

.....or:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1615650/posts?page=350#350

.....or:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1614588/posts?page=343#343

.....or:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1614588/posts?page=120#120

.....or:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613407/posts?page=150#150

.....or:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1610794/posts?page=46#46

.....or:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1610794/posts?page=31#31

..........etc.

[Old_Mil]

But, as an agnostic, I am very, very disturbed by the vitriolic fervor with which anyone who believes otherwise is attacked. I never see the pro-evolutionists reasoning calmly with the evidence on their side, but rather, storming around like the villagers in Young Frankenstein, relying on inflamed passions and demagoguery.

Excellent observation.

[Junior]

I never see the pro-evolutionists reasoning calmly with the evidence on their side, but rather, storming around like the villagers in Young Frankenstein, relying on inflamed passions and demagoguery.

Ichneumon, it appears to be time for one of your "tip of the iceberg" posts. However, don't be surprised if, even after you post it, the claim is again made that we only engage in demagoguery rather than presenting evidence.

[stands2reason]

I guess you are not here to debate?

[furball4paws]

Far be it for me to add to the vitriolic fervor. I guess I'll just join the mob and storm Dr. Frankenstein's castle - butn, pillage, rape.

Better than to bandy words with someone as agnostic as F dot.