[Thatcherite]

Even the most strident creationists accept that what they call "microevolution" occurs...

Actually on these threads we frequently see "arguments" (bald assertions) similar to the following:

• Speciation is impossible
• Speciation has never been observed
• All mutations are harmful
• Any three random mutations kill their host organism
• Beneficial mutations can never fix in the population

Not all the creationists have received the microgood/macrobad songsheet. Curiously many of these arguments come from people who believe in Noah's Ark and cannot see the inconsistency of their position.

[js1138]

I am an optimist. I have seen some of the old firebreathers fall away, and I have to believe it is because they just got exhausted from being mowed down every day. On the other hand, most of the evolutionists from five years ago are still here.

Even the arguments supporting ID represent an advancement, and you can easily detect the horror that the YEC crowd feels toward ID.