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To: CarolinaGuitarman
If science is not accountable, reproducible, verifiable by double-blinds, demonstrable, hangs by that thread of cruel anxiety...it's not important.

Everyone loves a story. Cosmologists, archaeologists, anthropologists, evolutionists--tell great stories. Some are plausible, many are entertaining, a few provoke insight.

None are scientists.

If they are not ultimately responsible for what they posit, they are only spinning tales.

Look what happens when an evolutionary notion is debunked after a better notions comes along--nobody dies from a bad reaction, no bridge falls down, no piece of shuttle garbage explodes. The notion just goes to some sort of purgatory.

309 posted on 04/19/2006 12:59:17 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
"If science is not accountable, reproducible, verifiable by double-blinds, demonstrable, hangs by that thread of cruel anxiety...it's not important."

Then you have just discounted a very large amount of legitimate science, on a whim. What is important is that science is testable and that it makes predictions. Double blind? That's not for most sciences.

" Everyone loves a story. Cosmologists, archaeologists, anthropologists, evolutionists--tell great stories. Some are plausible, many are entertaining, a few provoke insight.

None are scientists."

Says you... because, well, you just like to say it. They are testable and have predictive power. Creationism/ID on the other hand.... now that's a just-so claim.

" If they are not ultimately responsible for what they posit, they are only spinning tales."

What does it mean to be *ultimately responsible*?

"Look what happens when an evolutionary notion is debunked after a better notions comes along--nobody dies from a bad reaction, no bridge falls down, no piece of shuttle garbage explodes."

Ideas get discarded for better ones in every science. That's how it grows. You condemn all of science to irrelevancy if you expect it to be some kind of static world-view.
313 posted on 04/19/2006 1:07:15 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Mamzelle
If science is not accountable, reproducible, verifiable by double-blinds, demonstrable, hangs by that thread of cruel anxiety...it's not important.

Like the science of Galileo and Copernicus? Oh, but of course...we enjoy the benefits of their science a mere hundreds of years after their work.

Everyone loves a story. Cosmologists, archaeologists, anthropologists, evolutionists--tell great stories. Some are plausible, many are entertaining, a few provoke insight.

But none of those "ists" tell a story considered "The Greatest Story Ever Told"....

Look what happens when an evolutionary notion is debunked after a better notions comes along

Look at what? It hasn't happened yet...

nobody dies from a bad reaction, no bridge falls down, no piece of shuttle garbage explodes.

Yes, yes...kind of like when a biblical story previously thought of as literal truth is shown to be figurative. But some of us can still hold the message as valid; faith doesn't HAVE to be as fragile as you think.

354 posted on 04/19/2006 2:14:02 PM PDT by LibertarianSchmoe
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To: Mamzelle

" If they are not ultimately responsible for what they posit, they are only spinning tales.

Look what happens when an evolutionary notion is debunked after a better notions comes along--nobody dies from a bad reaction, no bridge falls down, no piece of shuttle garbage explodes. The notion just goes to some sort of purgatory."

Yep. That's why these discussions are largely pointless for all parties involved.

The evolution scientists are not really scientists -- at least not in the classical sense. They are more like forensic detectives; the real hard sciences are the ones which have experiments and can be put to the test over and over again in the lab.

They are putting together a story from a record of facts. The facts exist but they can't be re-created or reproduced in our lifetimes so they make conclusions based on the facts that they have found. They know they don't have all the facts but they don't what they are missing, either. They make assumptions to fill in the blanks. Then those assumptions stack up onto more assumptions and steer the conclusions a certain way.

Therefore they are putting together a story which looks like what they think happened but at the end of the day it's just a story. There are innocent people in jail sometimes because the detectives developed the wrong conclusion. There is virutally no contention about the parts of the evolution picture which can be demonstrated in a lab -- speciation, for example. But the far-reaching conclusion about common descent is just a story based on lots of assumptions using incomplete data.

If the evos would stick to teaching what we absolutely know by reproducible, testable lab work then there would be virtually no contention about this subject. It's when their assumptions about common descent are broadcast as being on the same level as those lab experiments that they meet resistance.


657 posted on 04/21/2006 8:45:43 AM PDT by webstersII
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