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To: Right Wing Professor
If creationists weren't wedded to wedge strategies, evos wouldn't be so inclined to chopping off the end of the wedge before it gets any purchase.

It should be noted that it was the fundie-dominated Dover School Board, and their out-of-town "legal advisors" at the Thomas More Law Center, who were spoiling to gen up a test case on ID to get into Federal Court, NOT the pro-evos side. In fact, the TMLC had been "shopping" for a suitably ignorant, foolish, and ripe school board for just such a case for more than year before they landed the Dover Board.

It is further worthy of note that the fundie-dominated Dover School Board IGNORED the advice of the the Board's solicitor, who warned them specifically that if they adopted the new "ID policy" it would likely end up in court, and that they would likely lose.

In short, it wasn't the Evos who were itching for litigation......

473 posted on 04/19/2006 8:35:19 PM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: longshadow
In fact, the TMLC had been "shopping" for a suitably ignorant, foolish, and ripe school board for just such a case for more than year before they landed the Dover Board.

Exactamundo.

475 posted on 04/19/2006 8:41:19 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: longshadow

#####It should be noted that it was the fundie-dominated Dover School Board, and their out-of-town "legal advisors" at the Thomas More Law Center, who were spoiling to gen up a test case on ID to get into Federal Court, NOT the pro-evos side.#####

Only to get the federalization precedents overturned. Once an issue is taken away from states and localities by the federal courts, it takes a subsequent court case to return the issue to the locals again. For example, the only way to get rid of Roe vs. Wade is for states to challenge the ruling and get a new abortion case into the federal court system. South Dakota is currently doing that. But it would be absurd to argue that South Dakota, by asserting the right of states to make their own abortion laws in federal court, is seeking to use federal power or seeking to have abortion law transferred to the court system. Quite the opposite. The same is true for Dover.


476 posted on 04/19/2006 8:42:05 PM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: longshadow
In fact, the TMLC had been "shopping" for a suitably ignorant, foolish, and ripe school board for just such a case for more than year before they landed the Dover Board.

Well that really blew up in their faces!

477 posted on 04/19/2006 8:43:10 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: longshadow
In short, it wasn't the Evos who were itching for litigation......

It just bears repeating. I'm amazed at how often "evos" (I still get a chuckle at that word....it's like saying "gravos" or "relativos"...but I digress) are accused of exactly what the CRIDers perpetrate:

- Blind Faith (No, WE have evidence)

- Fundamentalism (What?)

- Bringing the Feds into it (see longshadow's excellent point above: WHO started this thing anyway?)

- Changing terminology (these threads are replete with posts from people who don't understand the terms they are throwing around)

- Despotic comparisons (Hitler, a Christian; Stalin, an anit-"evo"; Iran, a theocracy)

Consider this a "living" list that will evolve as the "debate" does

524 posted on 04/20/2006 8:17:55 AM PDT by LibertarianSchmoe
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