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To: puroresu
what would happen if a few minutes were set aside at the start of every semester to discuss whether a deity created the universe, its laws, and life

Which diety, though? Equal time for all the dieties? There aren't enough semesters. Or just the Abrahamic concepts of God--or G*d, if you are orthodox? These are all issues for philosophy, or comparative religion classes, not the matter of "a few minutes".

Or do you literally mean "a few minutes"? Maybe just use the school's public address system:

"Now here this, students of Springfield High. The Principal and faculty would like to remind you that, although the matter is one outside the scope of your science classes, there is a possibility that our cosmos may have been created and/or maintained by one or more dieties of your choice."

What purpose would be served by these "few minutes"? And I thought it was part of your constitution that the state stays out of matters of religion, leaving that sphere (rightly, in my view) entirely to the conscience of each individual citizan.

523 posted on 04/20/2006 8:17:21 AM PDT by ToryHeartland
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To: ToryHeartland

I'm going to stop posting for a bit -- the number of my typos ("here" for "hear", "citizan" for "citizen") seem to be multiplying worse than a 'deferential equation.' No more de-caff for me, give me full-tilt coffee from now on, please!


526 posted on 04/20/2006 8:23:06 AM PDT by ToryHeartland
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To: ToryHeartland; Right Wing Professor

Deity or Deities. Fine with me.

What you guys don't understand is that you're killing yourselves with every court case you win. And, sure, you'll win them all until there's a constitutionalist majority on the Supreme Court. Right now there are only four good judges at most, depending on how Roberts & Alito pan out (I'm optimistic about them).

The problem you have is that your behavior makes your cause appear suspect. When people pick up the paper every other day, and read headlines about judges banning discussion of ID or other concepts questioning evolution, they wonder what all the fuss is about. You're like the pro-abortion advocates who insist that abortion doesn't take a human life, but then run around screaming that photos or graphic descriptions of abortion procedures be banned. People notice a huge disconnect between rhetoric and behavior.

You guys insist that evolution is the soundest of theories, yet you protect it from questioning as if it's the weakest.

You'd be better served to just allow a brief discussion as I've outlined. Admit that science can't answer everything, or even most things, and the soundness of current theories is always open the change.

It was once thought the sun orbits the earth because that's how it looks to the naked eye. To this day we still use terms such as sunrise and sunset, based on that appearance. Until fairly recently in history, science assumed "solid" rock was indeed solid. It sure looks and feels solid. But we now know rocks are composed of atoms which are mostly empty space.

You tell us that evolution fits the evidence, that life looks like it evolved. Maybe it does, but that doesn't mean for sure that it did.

I believe God exists and that He created and sustains the universe. Quite a few people share my belief. Quite a few don't. They believe the universe simply exists and simply happens to work as it does. But neither of those views are scientific. They're faith. And science is totally ignorant about that. Letting kids know science's limitations would end a lot of rancor, but you know who it would be who would object to it.


529 posted on 04/20/2006 8:50:11 AM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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