Posted on 04/19/2006 10:32:18 AM PDT by RGVTx
Dana Prezter had Art Wood on his radio show last night.
Here's a partial transcript I found at Scared Monkeys.
Follow the link and there are more reports on the interview.
Some of Imaketypos' review for today ties in with Art's interview.
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http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=6825#6825
Pretzer Interview Art Wood July 2 TRANSCRIPT
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Dana Pretzer:
I used the term murder of Natalee Holloway. It's my pleasure to have one of the investigators here, Art Wood
Tell us about yourself Art.
Art:
Retired US Secret Service agent, I live in Ocala Florida. I have become very close with Dave and Beth Holloway over the last year. This case I'm emotinally attached to it, I know it very well
Dana:
I'm emotionally attached to the case, I've shared e-mails with Dave. As a LE officer and victim's rights advocate, it just drives me crazy, we get ulcers and lose our hair, we want to do what we can to help, but this case has gone so many different directions and these poor people, if I had half the strength of Dave and Beth Holloway Twitty had I'd be a better perosn
Art
What got me into this case, like all of you I watched the start of this case and was shocked at the lack of police work. The 3 kids the main suspects in this case, were the last ppl seen with Natalee yet the LE proceeded to arrest the two black security guards
I started e-mailing Jossy Mansur, and Jossy's 3 sons went to same college as me Weiland(?) Jesuit College. He invited me over there as a guest of the newspaper to be an investigative consultant. When I left Florida june last year I expected to be gone about 2 weeks but turns out I didn't come back until September
Dana:
Basic police work errors that were so glaring in this investigation. I want to start with you Art with the MSM in particular, Fox News in the last few days, the reports coming out regarding this witness or not witness is this person credible, is there anything to Carlos?
Art:
First of all Carlos is a columbian, he's a male about 40, maybe 40 to 45 years old and at one time he had a work permit to work in Aruba but that expired and he didn't get it extended. At the time this happened he was an illegal. Basically, Carlos contacted Jossy through an intermediary and he was trying to claim the reward. Jossy told Dave and Beth about Carlos and contacted me and basically after consulting with Dave and Beth it was decided that I would talk to Carlos and see if there was any validity I flew down there in April and interviewed Carlos and actually on two occasions. Basically I didn't believe his story at all, I told Jossy there were too many holes in his story. I thought it was 1005 bogus, he was just trying to claim the reward.
Before leaving Aruba, I told Carlos that I would turn the info over the ALE, which I did, I made sure that Karin got that information and let them determine if there was validity to is. I advised Dave and Beth I found it not true, I left Aruba and the authorities picked him up and believed his story for awhile, they held him in protective custody for 6 weeks and now he's recanted his story.
Dana:
We as LE or members of the media or people who talk to people for a living. YOu can see contradictions, physical actions, body language, different things that you can soon tell when you interview a witness whether they're a glory grabber or they actually have something
Art:
LE officers involved in criminal investigations develop not just an instinct, they develop a whole personna to tell if someobdy is lying or not. It comes with experiences but it comes with 100's of interrogations you're involved with. This guy's story didn't make any sense to me at all. I was using an interpreter but I could tell he was lying, I knew that he was. As a police officer instinctively you just know when they're lying.
I've told Dave, I'm 100% sure he was lying and turns out he was.
Dana:
You know when someobdy is lying. One of the questions that came up, was the co-operation of the aruban authorities, we'll get into the competence, how did they treat you?
Art
I developed a relationship with a police officer which I thought was beneficial to the investigation. There were aspects to this case where there were people in aruba that I did not and do not trust. I believe this case was sabotaged from within. There are too many things to get into, but I've come to the conclusion along with info I've shared with Dave and Beth that it was sabotaged from within. I think it was professionally sabotaged.
At one point in the summer, one high ranking police officer came to me and asked, told me that Natalee was being held in a residence in Aruba. They took me and Eduardo Mansur to this house and I said why me and Eduardo. He said we want you to do some surveillance and I said why, why dont' the police just go in there. He said there was somebody in the investigation he didn't even trust. Later that night I told Eduardo, this is wrong, something is wrong either these people want to put us in danger. As a matter of fact after just after checking this house I took some people and we went into the house and searched it and talked to the people in there. It was a strange situation.
Dana:
Is this case still being investigated from the private side. Are you still working on this
Art:
I have never given up on this case, I believe it can be solved. There are too many ppl involved in the coverup. There's couple of things that could happen to solve the case.. The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an americn citizen there. I believe it could be solved that way, more than likely the case would be solved if somebody would talk. There are at least 5 people in the disappearance and coverup and if they talked it could be solved.
People aren't doing searches but we have allies there who are trying to solve this. Jossy has been allied and absolutely critical in trying to find the anwers here. The largest newspaper is actively involved in searching for the truth and the aruban people should be proud of that.
Dana:
I've Had Jossy on the show several times and I will not let this go from my end. Believe me if you need any assistance please let me know.
My next question here, as far as credible witnesses. We hear about
witnesses, really you meantion 5 people. There are still some credible witnesses out there that haven't been spoken to or questioned the right way. I talk about an investigation as a puzzle and you put it together, right now this puzzle in Aruba is spread out around the island.
Art:
As a matter of fact, about a month ago they had someobdy in Holland, the poker dealer from the Excelsior, where Joran and Natalee met. That poker dealer was one of Joran's friends and even though he's not in custody he was somebody I had discovered in June of last year that should be pursued. I had requested ALE to go to Holland talk to him and pursue this lead. The fact is that he was dealing poker that night that Joran met Natalee and other casino employees said he was very nervous about the film of Natalee and Joran at the poker table.
Dana:
We've all seen the video on the news where Paulus said he never met her, but I've sure seen a video where he was sitting there at that poker table
Art:
It sure looks like Paulus at the table, I wouldn't count that so much as evidence. We know that Joran was there, that's clear and he admits being there. Joran says that he came to that table after Paul went home. If that is Paul at that table, then that is extremely important, that tells that both of them are lying.
Dana:
Initially it may not be direct evidence, but it certainly is evidence as far as obstruction of the case and possible corruption in Aruba that is leading to this misinformation.
Let's get to the question of the belt. I'm looking at pictures and it sure looks like the one in the pictures with Joran. Jossy mentioned that some of the evidence is missing
Art:
I could tell you that we were led to believe early on, approximately June 1 is when Dave talked to Dennis Jacobs and he was led to believe that the boys had been interviewed on the 30th and 31st and he was going to take another run at them. No statements from these suspects show up in any files until after they're arrested on June 9. On June 10 the family is told this is not a missing person's case it's a murder investigation. They were led to believe somebody confessed. Somebody in the government released that info adn that they were being lead to the body. If it did happen, it was covered up. I think it wouldbe hard to cover up if they..the chief of police at the time was van der Straaten who was best firends with Paul and he eventually resigned from the case. He interviweed Joran on the 9th of June and claims to hve told, ppl were told by him that Joran had confessed and they were going to elad to the body, but only part of that interview was presented to the case.
Joran claimed Deepak had raped and killed Natalee and buried her by the fisherman's hut. It was a short interview in the report, so it seems pages and pages of the interview are missing. There are lot of interrogations that we hage questions
Jacobs was a drug officer, he'd never been involved in a missing person case. There's a lot of strange behaviours in this case, he may have sabotaged the case, I'd like to know
Dana:
The physical evidence, the belt...
Art:
There are reasons I searched for the belt. SOme ppl saw a vehicle that night, they lead me to this area and believe it or not, it's an area where it's the first thing I came to. Dave saw a police car with the trunk open on June 2...when he tried to approach the cop sped away.
I talked to Dave back in Meridian and he gave me a description.... I was kicking around in the sand and a belt popped up so I put it in my car. I asked the cops if they wanted it and they said bring it in in the morning. I went back and hooked up with Eduardo, we were going to interview some people, later I was making a mental note to take the belt to the police. I kept thinking I saw that belt before, so I want to the newspaper and started looking at file photos and I find that picutre of Joran chocking somebody with the belt.
It's a distinctive belt .... it has some kind of striations, brown leather, very wide, good thick leather belt and amazingly it's a real long belt. when I took it to the polie, the lead investigator at that time, one of the chief people was a guy was Tromp, I gave it personally to him, he took a statement frm me, he said wow this is identical, this is important. I later find out they did nothing with it, didn't sent to Holland, they determined the belt is too old, in the sand long time.
Let me tell you something, for them to say it was too old and wouldn't fit Joran. I said nobody said Joran wore this belt, it was a prop in the photo, he's choking a kid in the photo .... They missed the point, so actually I had gone through an attorney to get the belt back, I was going to send to a lab myself. We don't know what happened to the belt, I suggested they send to Holland, there could be blood, DNA< anything there. You just don't know.
With enhancement you could tell for sure if it was the same belt. If there's a striation mark they could enhance it and it would be possible to have it's own fingerprint.
Dana:
We solve a case four different ways, a confession, physical evidence, statements from witnesses
They just blew it
Art:
that's just one example. There are many others. I had that belt late in July and I had been in Aruba for about 2 months, I'd never seen the police get excited about anything. The searches that were going on after June 3 were being conducted by volunteers by friends of H/T and TES. I never saw the police participate in any searches, the day I pulled that belt in, we organized a search and I had a guy with a profesional dog team Fred Golba, and Fred organized this search to take place after 6:30 pm. it was hot and he wanted his dogs to be able to work optimally in cooler temperatures.
There were cops crawling all over, they all showed up, everybody showed up, this is a first. So they try to tell me the belt isn't significant but they're acting differently.
Dana:
The fourth way is help form the public. Question from e-mail: Art, Jossy has said that he knows that Joran took Natalee to his apartment. How does he know that, did they search the apartment and find evidence that she had been there. What can you say about the searches
Art:
First of all they did search of Joran's apartment, which is a garage apartment on the van der SLoot property. He had his own apartment, he could sneak in and out. They didn't search the main house, we were led to believe by a leak from the police that evidence was found there. Jossy had reason to believe that possible DNA evidence was found in the apartment. I has never come out that it was true, you would think tha6t would have been turned over to both sides, but it never has.
As far as other searches where evidence was found, we were lead to believe that blood was found in the Kalpoe car. The police stated on world television that blood was found and was send to Holland. When the report came back it was stated that it was cleaning fluid and chocolate. I don't know of any test, any initial test whether Luminol or other chemical which would show a positive for cleaning...it's elementary police work, you know from crime scene searches. There are very few substances that show up as blood that isn't.
So we really were disappointed in that test but that's one of those things I can't accuse anybody but think about, it could easily be something that was substituted.
Dana:
Another question: Joran and his history, in your investigation before, what did you find out about his kid, what kind of kid was he, what kind of history. ANy problem with LE in the past, there was an allegation about other females
Art:
Professionals that have testified in this case and talk about him say he's a sociopath. I haven't met him but he definitely has problems. IF you see the interview with Greta he said he never went to any psychologist but he told the police he was under care of one at school. His father said he was being treated for anger management and stealing from his family
Dana:
I watched that interview, I was screaming at the tv with questions I had. I could get that kid to talk in 15 minutes
Art:
He told his father that he was at one casino when then later, when they went there he wasn't there, I was at the Radisson instead of the .. anyway that was the night after Natalee disappeared. He tells the authorites that he had a tennis match and then he went to the casino. He's at a poken tournament at the Radisson, what happens is Greta ask why did you tell your father you were at this casino when you were elsewhere
He said because we put the car there. The truth is you're not going to walk...Deepak wasn't with him, she caught him in an absolute bold faced lie and didn't follow up on it. He told his father and his fther told the police, but when they checked at the casino, nobody had seen him.
We had reason to believe, the first week in June one of the kids told Dave that Joran and his father borrowed a friend's boat that night, that's what I would have questioned him about
Dana:
I watched that discussion becuase I don't call it an interview.
Seeing the video of Bo serving Joran in New York, the intimidation factor, asking where did you bury her, playing the mental games. I'm sure Bo is a true professional, he got his emotions...
Art:
I think he's a homicide detective
Dana:
Those types of things sometimes work. Do you think they did that on purpose, do you think you say hello sir...may I have a second of your time..
Art:
I'm sure that Bo had the same feelings you and I do, would have liked to tak a shot at the kid. I would love to hve a chance to get inside his head. you can see this kid is a professional liar. I knew that he wasn't at the Radisson, at the hotel he claimed to be...the Wyndham..this is the night that Beth and Jug arrive in Aruba, early morning hours of May 30/31. They're trying to find their daughter, the get to the house, the father answers the door... he's not home 2 a.m.
Beth and Jug stand there with a cop, Paul gets on the phone with his son, he's at the Wyndham playing poker. They get in the car to go to the Wyndham, he's not there. They go there and nobody has seen him there. WHen they get back to the house he's in the driveway with Deepak Kalpoe. Anyway, Greta asks him why did you tell him you were at the Wynda.....We know that Deepak worked until 11:30 at the internet cafe and that he later claims to hve gone to the Radisson where Joran is supposedly gambling. The Wyndham and the Radisson are quite far apart, you wouldn't park you car at one to go to the other ....
Greta had him in a bold face lie and Greta didn't follow up
Dana:
Here we have a case where it was just corruption, bungled, covered up, what could we have done to make it better. We could probably name a lot
Art:
I want to bring to your attention, this might help people to understand. You have to understand that the day after she disappeared Joran and the Kalpoes told Beth and the police that they had dropped Natalee of at the Holiday Inn and that when the got out she stumbled and fell on the sidewalk and one of the security guard helped her\
When they told that story, that day the 1st of June, Beth and the police officers including the chief, van der Stratten have viewed the film at the Holiday Inn and they know the boys have lied becuase they show she wasn't dropped off. She didn't fall and hurt herself and the Kalpoes car does not enter the film area, so they know that these 3 suspects have lied. The Chief of Police and you hve 3 people who were seen with this american girl and they were seen with her in their car and these 3 teenagers have all told you the Chief that they dropped her off at the Holiday In.. Wouldn't you focus on those 3 kids. Guess what? They went after two black security guards and arrested them on June 5. Why would you arrests these two security guards, when you know that the people that pointed you to them were lying.
What I'm trying to say to the listeners, if you don't believe theres's a coverup in Aruba, you only have to look at the orchestrated arrest of these security guards. If you know they were lying about dropping her off, why arrest the security guards.
That is the biggest seed to play that I would like to plant in your listeners' heads. I interviewed this Boeti guy, this drug dealer on th beach who claims he sold drugs to Natalee. I interviewed him 5 times early on, I've told Beth and Dave..I came away that he'd been coached Every time Boeti told me he saw these security guards going in and out of Natalee's room. He said he was interviewed by police several times but there are no police reports.
Turns out Boeti is the brother in law of Gerold Dompig. guess what,, you've got a narcotics investigator in Aruba working as the chief investigator on the Natalee disappearance, what better way to justify the arrest of the two black security guards than to have a drug dealer to say he saw the guards going in and out of Natalee's room.
Dana:
All these people want are answers, some closure. This craziness just continues on and on. A few more e-mail questions.
Art:
Thereare professional officers on Aruba who are good, they were never assigned to this case. I'm talking about homicide detectives, but they were never assigned.
Dana:
You juts pinned that tail on the donkey.
Art:
I want your listeners to know I think highly of many officers in Aruba, but they were never allowed to work on this case.
Dana:
Another e-mail. The gardener witness, did he take lie detector, where is he now. Could it hve bee
Art
It could have been Freddy in the car, his identification of Satish was not that importanat, he saw 3 guys..both of the brothers claims they were aleady home and Joran claimed to have been dropped at the beach.
Carlos the gardener in his early 20's I found him honest and sincere. I believe him, I'm very sure Carlos was telling the truth. He wasn't looking for a reward, he didn't want to involve the police in this at all. I found Carlos, he told me this is through an interpretor too, he said "I saw them searching by the fisherman's hut, big search party police and everybody, I was driving to work and I wasn thinking go there, ...Carlos wasn't found until August, he told his employer in the first week of June about seeing the boys, Carlos was very sincere, he's still on the island I think he would be an excellent witness. He couldn't identify Satish, the person in the back seat ducked.
It could have been Freddy. I've seen a lot of interviews, one of those interviews talks about the fact Paul had gotten attorneys for thse kids the first week in June before they were even arrested. He got an attorney for Freddy, who wasn't even arrested until September. That tells you a lot an Freddy is one of the 5 people I mentioned earlier.
I found it incredible that Carlos was from Columbia. The Dutch and arubans didn't think much of him because he was columbian. He was very sincere in my opinion
Dana:
One more question, can you explain why the Kalpoes and Joran hve not been charged with an aduction, sexual molestation because there are some admissions, even drugging her coming in and out of consciousness
Art:
Unfortuntely, regarding the evidence, unless there was some way to find her body...I do believe she was given a date rape drug, unless one of the suspects talks there is no evidence to use in Court to convince a jury. I also think she may hve been run over with the car.
In the statements, if you recall the boys were being transported from Oranjestad to another town, they were secretly recorded. During that conversatsion they're very careful what they say but Deepak said if they ever find the girl you're going to jail for 20 years.
One of the things Joran said in the conversation, he tells Deepak dont the police like to know your brother ran a girl over with the girl. That blew my mind, that's like saying be careful what you say about me or I'll tell the police what really happened.
Recall the story I told you earlier, they said Natalee fell out of the car, we know that's a lie. Why would you say she fell out of the car unless you were covering yourself. This girl may have tried to jump out of the vehicle and was run over. We were led to believe Deepak was driving the car, in the statement they said Deepak parked the car behind C&C.
Dana:
It's contradiction after contradiction that you and other LE people would jump on. I would be strung up if I didn't ask you about the Chicago video
Art:
The videos of the paper bag, plastic bag. I would love experts to look at that video, like the FBI. I can't see to where I believe it's anything related to this case. I'd like to see computer enhancement, to see when they were shot and what they exactly show.
Dana:
Art you're a true professional, you've got a heart of gold. You and I are on the same page here
Art:
Some of your listeners may misunderstand this, somebody in the news media has painted me as a soldier of fortune. I have never been paid for my services in this case, Jossy Mansur helped with some of the expenses ,and I appreciate that. But I've received no payment and billed nobody.
Beth paid my airfare..no Jossy paid that airfare when I came to Aruba in April to talk to Carlos.
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Copied this from another site...it is not complete.
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Professionals that have testified in this case and talk about him say he's a sociopath. I haven't met him but he definitely has problems.
IF you see the interview with Greta he said he never went to any psychologist but he told the police he was under care of one at school.
His father said he was being treated for anger management and stealing from his family.
I do believe she was given a date rape drug, unless one of the suspects talks there is no evidence to use in Court to convince a jury. I also think she may hve been run over with the car.
In the statements, if you recall the boys were being transported from Oranjestad to another town, they were secretly recorded. During that conversatsion they're very careful what they say but Deepak said if they ever find the girl you're going to jail for 20 years.
One of the things Joran said in the conversation, he tells Deepak dont the police like to know your brother ran a girl over with the girl. That blew my mind, that's like saying be careful what you say about me or I'll tell the police what really happened.
"It sure looks like Paulus at the table, I wouldn't count that so much as evidence. We know that Joran was there, that's clear and he admits being there. Joran says that he came to that table after Paul went home. If that is Paul at that table, then that is extremely important, that tells that both of them are lying."
Odd that this one little snippet of video is always presented as though it is in a vacuum..........whoever the guy is, and the dealer as well, are undoubtedly in PLENTY more video from many cameras in the casino that night.....including arriving and departing thru the doors, alone or accompanied.
watch the magicians hands, not what he directs your attention to......
The implication is that she CAN be found?
Joran coming up on Greta.
Responds to video of him being served by Beau Dietl in NY.
I feel as badly as anyone about her death. But I can't quite understand why she rates 20 threads containing thousands of posts.
I'll get pummelled for saying this, but it's true. Why is she the saint and martyr of FR?
When do we let her go?
I'll get pummelled for saying this, but it's true. Why is she the saint and martyr of FR?
When do we let her go?
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so the obvious question is ...why are you adding to the posts if you don't like it and think it should be dropped?
" But I can't quite understand why she rates 20 threads containing thousands of posts."
The same reason that the Gaza ragheads are tonite having second thoughts about grabbing the IDF soldier......and I DO trust that you don't understand it.
Your other comments only invite us to feel inferior to you, but its a bit late for that, since your post takes only 10 seconds to read. Move on, so we can forget about you.
Greta's show had the video again. This time it seemed to show more, less edited.
Then showed the clip from Greta's interview with Joran commenting about Beau lying about shoving the producer guy on the ground. I wish they had shown Beau's comments about this. I don't think he ever denied the producer landed on his backside. I'm glad to see the coverage, no matter. And it was gratifying to see Joran humilated as Beau asked loud enough for everyone to hear, "Where'd you bury the girl?"
When do we let her go?
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When Aruba returns her to her family.
They have the answers.
There is no excuse.
That is an interesting comment.
If nothing else, it shows Deepak isn't sure she can't be found. It also shows Deepak thinks or wants listening ears to think Joran is guilty. He's got my agreement on that one.
I still think the answer to that video is known by all parties. Natalee's family doesn't need video when there where other MB girls sitting there that had to have noticed that sweaty man sitting at their table. That info alone should grab the ditchman and his goon zoon by the peanut shells.
It shows an effort to keep the ditchman completely out of any association with Natalee. Even when it's an association much prior to her last being seen with his goon zoon. Ditchman sweats guilt by the buckets.
I agree. it points the finger at Joran. Otherwise, wouldn't Joran have respond with a 'not just me' or 'you were there, too"? Instead he follows up with a comment regarding Satish running over a girl.
We don't know if Satish hit Natalee that night with the car or some other girl from another time. Joran may have some dirt on Satish from a previous incident. Maybe that's why he said Satish picked him up at the beach - thinking Satish will cover for him?
I had the same impression of Joran's comment about Satish hitting a girl. I didn't think he meant Natalee because of his wording. Art Wood says he thinks Natalee might have been run over. He doesn't reference this comment as part of his reasoning.
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This review will make your blood boil.
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I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on the
12-05-05 Rita Cosby Live and Direct
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/
But first: the family of Natalee Holloway—have they done more harm than good during the investigation into her disappearance? A scathing new article in “Vanity Fair” claims the family demanded too much, too soon from Aruban investigators in the days after Natalee vanished.
Some of the biggest complaints are coming from the island‘s deputy police chief, Gerold Dompig. Now, in the article, he says Natalee‘s mother and stepfather sidetracked the investigation from the very beginning.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So what do we make of all of these allegations against the Holloway family? LIVE AND DIRECT tonight is Natalee‘s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty.
Beth, thanks for being on the show. And I have to say, I know this has to be very difficult for you, but we want to give you a chance to respond to this “Vanity Fair” article, which basically says you were so aggressive, the police were pressured into arresting the three young men prematurely, which then backfired and ruined the case against those very suspects. What do you say?
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER: Oh, it‘s just the exact opposite. We gave them 10 days. We gave them 10 days to clean up their story, clean up the mess, to lawyer up. We gave them 10 days too long, Jane. That‘s exactly what happened.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I guess what they‘re saying is 10 days wasn‘t enough, and that had they had more time, they could have followed them. Perhaps they would have gone back to the scene of the crime. Maybe they could have listened to their cell phone calls and monitored their e-mails, that kind of thing.
TWITTY: Well, that‘s wishful thinking. If only that would have happened. Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.
And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BURROUGH: What they would have liked to have seen happen is for the suspects, the three young men, to have remained at large for a period of weeks, where they could have been followed, where their phones could have been tapped, they could have been surveilled. That is SOP. That‘s how they normally would have done it. In this case, because of pressure from the family and the media, they were forced to make arrests that they call premature.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But we have to ask you about some of these things that were in this article.
For example—and we do have this quote that we can put up on our screen. This is from the deputy Aruban police chief Dompig. And he says, “It was like nothing could satisfy them, nothing. Basically, Jug wanted us to come over and beat a confession out of these boys. We couldn‘t do that. These guys are hard-headed, especially Joran. We couldn‘t get a confession.”
He is talking about your husband. What do you say to that?
TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you for joining us. You are mentioned quite a bit in this article, and basically, what it says is you were friends with Beth, you initially championed her cause and helped searched for Natalee. But at some point, you turned and ended up filing a police complaint, it says, against her husband, Jug. What‘s the story there? Did you really do that?
JULIA RENFRO, “ARUBA TODAY” NEWSPAPER: Yes, I did. Actually, you know, everything you just said is absolutely correct, in that I went all out to help Beth in every way, to help find her daughter. And at some point, I believe it was early July, her husband, Jug, got very upset with me and actually physically pushed me and yelled and screamed at me in foul language in front of my children.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, Beth, I want to hear what you have to say about this.
RENFRO: Well, Jane, you know, tempers—you know, you are frustrated. We were searching for answers. But as far as Jug physically pushing Julie Renfro, no, that did not happen. I was there. There was another witness there with us, and also a cab driver was there. I‘m sorry that—if she felt that—misconstrued that situation. But there were senior several witnesses there, and no, he did not physically push her, but there was a heated moment, yes.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead...
(CROSSTALK)
TWITTY: ... frustration—when you know the answers are there, when the family has hand-delivered the suspects to the authorities, and getting them to act on anything with any sense of urgency just became unbearable. You know, Jane, we pleaded with them early on, Tell us what you‘re gathering. Tell us how you‘re surveilling these guys. Tell us, are you tapping their phone lines? Are you recording their phone conversations? We never could get any answers from them.
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But let me ask Julia, what‘s next on this investigation? A lot of people feel that it‘s really reached a dead end.
RENFRO: Well, I don‘t believe it‘s (INAUDIBLE) a dead end. I did speak to Commissioner Dompig today, and his team of detectives are continuing to investigate every angle still of Natalee‘s disappearance. And from what I understood, they received some new information today that they‘re going to follow up with tomorrow, and I would imagine, speak to the family about. And it sounds pretty serious.
I know that they did for quite a while put a lot of emphasis and a lot of hope into those Jamie Skeeters tapes, hoping that that—those tapes would be the key to a possible rearrest of the trio.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and of course, that‘s just another controversy now.
RENFRO: Right. But unfortunately, those tapes turned out to be not very serious and basically don‘t have anything pertinent to the case.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, well, we don‘t know that yet. The FBI is looking at those tapes, trying to determine exactly what one of the suspects, Deepak Kalpoe, said. But you said that there might be some new information. Give us a hint. Anything? I mean, people are desperate for new information on this case.
RENFRO: Absolutely. And I believe that, as we all know, and as Beth knows and the family knows, it needs to go through the right vehicle, and that would be from the police to her lawyers.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Do you know anything? I mean, you‘re just not telling us, or you don‘t know?
RENFRO: I don‘t know.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: But the Aruban investigators say they are also very frustrated. In fact, we have the “Vanity Fair” reporter describing their frustrations. Let‘s listen in.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BURROUGHS: I really don‘t see any evidence of corruption or a cover-up here. What you see is a police force that‘s done the best they can, but that, at least initially, moved slowly because they‘re presented with an awful lot of cases of missing American tourists.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, one of the things that I found most fascinating about this “Vanity Fair” article is that it suggests at the very end that there is a sandbar about 200 feet, I believe, offshore, and this is a sandbar where lovers go to make out and fishermen sometimes watch them. And if you dump a body on the far side of that sandbar, it would wash off towards Panama. I hadn‘t heard any of that previous to this, and they‘ve been searching everywhere. What do you make of that?
COPUS: Well, that‘s always interesting. Actually, I don‘t know about the sandbar. I definitely know about the fishermen‘s hut. And I question the “Vanity Fair” reporter, if he can‘t find corruption, then he probably needs to start back again. I think it‘s pretty plain that—I‘ve been down there. Any of us can do a Google search. You can see we have organized crime figures from America in Aruba.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: want to go back to Beth. Final thoughts. I mean, what‘s next for you? Some people say this case really has hit a wall. Are you going to give up? Are you going to go back to Aruba and keep plowing ahead?
TWITTY: I don‘t think this case has hit a wall. I think what has happened in this case is they have terminated our line of communication, so the family is in the dark about where the investigators are in this investigation. What we‘re hoping, though, is from the help of John Q. Kelly, that maybe he can open up a line of communication and bring us in the loop as to what‘s going on. I‘ve been hearing about possible new arrests or persons of interest being questioned through the media. So it would be nice to be getting that from Deputy Dompig or Karin Janssen herself.
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My thanks to RGVTx for doing the postings while I was taking care of my dishpan hands.LOL
The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an americn citizen there
Maybe this might help explain why these meetings took place.
Bachus, Jefferson County District Attorney David Barber and other Alabama law officials met for two hours with a team of Aruban law enforcement officials, including Aruban Deputy Police Chief Dolf Richardson.
Richardson and other Aruban officials did not speak to reporters after the meeting. They instead went to a meeting with FBI officials, including Charles C. Gregorski, director of the violent crimes unit. Bachus helped get the FBI involved in the investigation within days of Holloway's disappearance
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051217/NEWS02/512170347&SearchID=7323001607905
We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an american citizen there
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That ought to have some Arubans worried.
Who was that Aruban who threatened to shut down the case if Beth didn't back off?
Wonder if he has changed his mind with consideration of the treaty mentioned above?
In hindsight, it's unfortunate he didn't follow through on his threat. How long can Aruba continue this pretend investigation before they have to close the case and unleash the FBI?
Welcome back, Imaketypos.
Here's the archive link to Dana's interview with Art Wood.
To listen, click on PODCAST link when you get there.
http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2006&post_month=07&post_day=02
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