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believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on
10-24-05 The Abrams Report
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813142/
ABRAMS: Now, that tape has been out, but the authorities have just reviewed it for the first time. That account about sex with all of them is a very different story than what the police say he, Deepak Kalpoe, one of the suspects has told them all summer.
Joining me right now on the phone Aruba‘s deputy police chief, Gerald Dompig. Deputy Chief, thanks very much for coming back on the program. All right, so you‘ve had a chance to review this tape. Could be significant?
GERALD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF: Well, yes. We have received the tapes and we also received from Mr. Jamie Skeeters on CD-ROM the tape. But we still have a problem with the transcriptions because the transcriptions we received don‘t match 100 percent the—just what it said on the tapes. So in any case, we feel that the tapes are very interesting and we are sending as we speak the tapes to Holland to have them reviewed for authentic ity.
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ABRAMS: Let‘s assume for a moment that they are authenticated. You had described to our producer, this is kind of opening a door into the investigation. Could this mean that Deepak Kalpoe is hauled back to the police station?
DOMPIG: Well this could mean anything. Factors that if we can establish that this is new information which not—does not match earlier statements, we can once more or once again prove that these guys are basically lying and we need to keep on focusing on them.
ABRAMS: But again, let‘s be clear. Assuming that this is authenticated and that‘s what you‘re doing now, you‘re sending it to Holland to get authenticated. But assuming it‘s authenticated...
DOMPIG: Right.
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ABRAMS: ... it is different from what he‘s been telling you all summer, correct?
DOMPIG: Yes, to a certain extent, yes because they have always said that there was no sex and these tapes at the least, suggest something else. So I feel that we might have a break there.
ABRAMS: And could this mean other types of charges? Possibly not murder, but possibly other charges in connection with Natalee?
DOMPIG: Well, I don‘t know yet. You have to just keep in mind that even if the sex part is said on the tapes, we don‘t know if it‘s consensual. So that‘s—I‘m not sure if we could draw or jump to conclusions about rape or anything like that. But basically, my information now is that we—it might lead us to other stuff.
ABRAMS: Other stuff meaning other charges?
DOMPIG: Exactly.
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ABRAMS: That‘s pretty significant, isn‘t it Chief?
DOMPIG: Of course because we want to have more answers. We want to find more answers and don‘t forget that we have things—a variety of possibilities from rape, murder. We also have some kind of accident that happened and people might feel that they are responsible for it. They don‘t want to come forward and whatever happens, I told a couple of people today that we are not looking primarily for the perpetrators only. We are looking to find the truth. We want to know what really happened.
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ABRAMS: Let me ask you. Is there a crime in Aruba—and I think I know the answer to this—but is there a crime in Aruba for lying to the authorities. Meaning, if you‘re able to authenticate this tape, you‘re able to show that Deepak Kalpoe, one of the suspects in this case, is telling you a different story, is telling on tape a different story than he told you all summer, is that a crime in and of itself?
DOMPIG: No, not in itself. But it can give us you could say something about the personality of the person we are talking to, so it always works against that person in front of a judge.
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Joining me now on the phone from Aruba is Dave Holloway, Natalee‘s father. Dave, thanks for coming back on the program. First of all, what do you make of this development?
DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER (via phone): Well I‘m hopeful that they‘ll make something out of it. You know I think America knows and everyone else knows really what happened. It‘s a matter of just proving it and that‘s the problem we‘re arising with the judge and the—or the judge of instruction
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ABRAMS: Dave, you are in Aruba searching for Natalee, but you‘re not just searching in random areas, right? You‘re getting guidance as to where you should look?
D. HOLLOWAY: Yes, for the first time we have gotten some guidance on what areas to focus our search efforts on.
ABRAMS: And where is that coming from?
D. HOLLOWAY: That‘s coming from Chief Dompig himself.
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ABRAMS: So the chief is telling you, you know, look in a particular area. Do you want to tell us where generally or how he‘s coming up with these areas?
D. HOLLOWAY: Well, I know it‘s—of course, it‘s no secret now, he had indicated that we needed to center our efforts out in the ocean and that‘s what we‘re doing.
ABRAMS: And why haven‘t the Aruban authorities looked in these areas?
D. HOLLOWAY: Well, I don‘t think they have the capabilities of doing what we‘re trying to do. We‘ve got some people from United States in that has sonar search capabilities and the Aruban authorities do not. So that‘s what we‘re doing.
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I believe it would be beneficial to have some quotes taken from interviews Beth, Dave, and others did, just to refresh our memories.
I am going to attempt to post quotes from an interview each day, as time permits.
Todays quotes are from an interview on
This is from a 11-02-05 Abrams report
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9910578/
ABRAMS: Hi everyone. First up on the docket tonight, there is a war of words unraveling in Aruba. Natalee Holloway‘s divorced parents who up to now have been proceeding separately, sign a letter.
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Quote—“It has become increasingly difficult to hold our tongues. It is our contention that it is in the best interest of everyone concerned to instigate a fresh start in this case. We respectfully request that Dennis Jacobs, Karin Janssen, and Gerold Dompig be removed from the case.”
The letter goes on to say that when Dave Holloway asked the police to begin a search for Natalee two days after she went missing, the detective in charge of the investigation answered—quote—“no, this happens all the time. Just go on down to Carlos N‘ Charlie‘s and have a beer. She‘ll show up sometime. She probably got drunk or fell in love and ran off with someone for a few days.”
They also had strong words for the deputy chief of police, Gerold Dompig. Quote—“It is apparent that Dompig wants to incite anti-Beth Twitty feelings among the Aruban populace in a situation where he should be doing the exact opposite and appealing to the Aruban people for leads to solve Natalee‘s disappearance.”
This scathing letter comes just a day after we had an exclusive interview with the deputy. He was on the program yesterday, where he had some tough words of his own for the family.
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ABRAMS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) All right. Joining me now on the phone is Dave Holloway, Natalee‘s father. He is one of the people who signed the letter. Dave, thanks for coming on the program.
Look, Dave, you have generally been a sort of calmer voice in connection with this investigation, and yet you did sign this scathing letter about the investigative team. Why?
DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S FATHER (via phone): Yes we did. I was one of the last holdouts. I think Beth had been pushing for this for some time. And I went back to the island, hoping to make one last push to get everybody together, hold some solid communications and move forward with the case. And there at the end I thought we were coming close and starting to gel and to move this forward, and suddenly it just fell apart.
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ABRAMS: But Dave, these are very serious accusations that you all are making in this letter. Let me read from one of them that apparently was regard to you from a detective handling the case.
When you went to the police department to report Natalee missing—quote—“Dennis Jacobs responded with the following inappropriate question. How much money do you have?”
HOLLOWAY: That‘s correct and there were two witnesses there that can confirm that.
ABRAMS: And your understanding was he was effectively saying in order to search for your daughter, that they would have to get paid?
HOLLOWAY: Well I don‘t know what his intentions were, Dan, but he made that comment. Whether he was making it in jest, or whatever, I don‘t know, but he did make that comment.
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ABRAMS: All right. Now, another issue with regard to Detective Jacobs, and it seems to me that this I know is one of Beth‘s primary concerns, and I‘m wondering if it‘s yours, as well.
Jacobs continues to theorize that Natalee is still alive, which may explain his lack of diligence in pursuing the suspects who are responsible for Natalee‘s disappearance.
HOLLOWAY: That‘s correct. When I met with him last week, during our conversation, even though he is a lead investigator, he felt like Natalee was still alive.
ABRAMS: He made it clear to you that he thinks Natalee—the lead investigator made it clear to you that he thinks Natalee Holloway is alive and thereby, I guess, suggesting that what, she ran off?
HOLLOWAY: He really didn‘t comment on it, so I don‘t know. Just—he just made that comment, that that was his theory. There were four theories on the board. One of them was she ran away, the other is she‘s alive, the other was that Joran left her at the beach, and the Mountain Brook kids did something with her and the other theory is the most objective and common theory was that they—the three boys had something to do with her disappearance, possibly taking her out in the ocean.
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ABRAMS: Dave, before I play a piece of sound from the deputy police chief, Gerold Dompig, on this show last night, let me ask you. You and your ex-wife Beth have gone about this sort of on two separate routes. You‘ve gone there at different times. I‘ve gotten the impression that it‘s not as if the two of you have been coordinating your efforts.
You know what the other one is doing, but is this the most—this letter, signed by you and your wife and she and her husband, is this sort of the most unified effort that the two of you have made together on this?
HOLLOWAY: Yes, it would be. I was one of the ones who held out, hoping that the police would come together and complete their investigation, and it just finally got to the point where—you know we‘ve got tunnel vision and a lot of peripheral issues started coming up, and you know why aren‘t we focusing back on the three suspects? Why are we talking about issues that don‘t even involve the case? And that‘s where I started getting frustrated and I felt like you know it‘s time, it‘s the fourth quarter, and time‘s almost up. Why don‘t we just start all over and start out with a whole new fresh team?
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ABRAMS: Here‘s what Gerold Dompig said in an exclusive interview on this program last night.
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DOMPIG: I think anybody should understand and can understand it. We have made a lot of efforts to conduct a professional investigation. And in any case, we have given the family every chance to sit with us and to take their statements.
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ABRAMS: Do you disagree with that, Dave?
HOLLOWAY: Well let‘s take a pen and pencil and draw a line through it, and you put on one side what the family and the foreigners and people from the U.S. have done, and then you put on the other side what have the police done. You know we delivered, when we came to the island, we identified the suspects, all three of them, and handed it to them on a silver platter.
We also identified the witness, who is the gardener. We also had a person from the U.S. come down and literally almost got a confession out of Deepak. We found a lot of evidence that they have not used for one reason or the other. We‘ve done most of all the searches. And then my question is, is what have the police done?
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ABRAMSAll right, Chris, you‘re down there in Aruba. How are the Aruban authorities going to react to this?
CHRIS LEJUEZ, ARUBAN ATTORNEY (via phone): I wonder. I think the signal that they‘re getting is a very strong one. I believe after I read her letter that they cannot ignore its contents. They will—do have to look into matters.
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ABRAMS: There is one point in this letter—and this is number three, here—where the letter says that the detective handling the case followed—neglected to ask a follow-up question, Clint, and it says—quote—Joran says—quote—“I think that Deepak killed Natalee and buried her body.” There is no follow-up question as to why or where. It seems that they are quoting from some sort of statement there, Clint where Joran said that.
CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI INVESTIGATOR: I saw the statement Dan...
LEJUEZ: Well as you know I am not involved...
ABRAMS: I know. I‘m—hang on a sec, Chris. I‘m going to Clint Van Zandt on that.
VAN ZANDT: Yes, Dan, I saw the statement when I was down in Aruba for MSNBC. I saw the statement that the police allegedly took from van der Sloot, where he makes that—where van der Sloot says that. And I read that and I kind of came up over the top of the desk and I said well, where‘s the rest of the questions? Where‘s the follow-up questions? Where‘s the rest of the story?
And Dan, this is what‘s frustrated me in this case. It appears that the police simply sat there and listened to what he had to say, and said oh yes, that‘s nice, wrote it down. No follow-ups. They took a statement without asking any other questions.
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ABRAMS: ... mean we‘re not still looking at the three suspects, but it sure does sound like it‘s possible that he‘s not and I think that‘s what drives the family crazy.
VAN ZANDT: I think it does too, Dan. Number one, just as you say, he‘s saying we need to ask more questions of these kids who have been interviewed and interviewed and interviewed time and again, and his lead detective is suggesting that Natalee is what, either a runaway or a kidnap victim. Either way, it‘s still a case that needs to be investigated that the Arubans just have not pressed the case to find her.