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To: Sam Hill
Your preposterous claim that "constantly professed to be a Catholic/Christian" is a flat out lie.

Let me remind you. You made a claim that Hitler's 12 April 1922 speech was intended to be sarcastic. I have challenged you to identify anything in that speech to indicate Hitler was being sarcastic when he said that his "feeling as a Christian points" him to his "Lord and Savior as a fighter", or indeed elsewhere in that section of the speech. You have not done so, for obvious reasons; he was not being sarcastic, there is nothing that would even suggest he was being sarcastic, and you simply made that up. Instead you initiated an ad hominem attack on me. You are probably well aware I could have quoted many other instances where Hitler proclaimed himself to be Christian. But what is the point? You refused to confront the first except with dishonesty and denial.

You are a raving ideologue who isn't interested in an intellectual discussion, but in shouting down your opponent. Merely mentioning that Hiller was a product of an environment in which religiously-justified Christian antisemitism was the norm, and that his speech in 1922 in Munich would not have been anything particularly out of the norm, something that no one familiar with the history of Germany and Central Europe in the late 19th/early 20th century would deny, caused you to attack my sanity, And then you have the chutzpah to complain when I compared your agenda with that of another guy who's interested in rewriting history.

Strictly for the benefit of the lurkers, Table Talk was edited by Martin Bormann from original transcripts made by two scribes Bormann chose, and while it purports to be a record of Hitler's dinner time meanderings, there is no independent evidence of the veracity of the material. And Bormann was definitely anti-Christian and in particular anti-Catholic. So relying on Bormann's accounts, which dramatically at variance with Hitler's public proclamations, is tendentiousness at its worst. Your entire argument depends on taking the word of a Nazi monster with his own agenda.

I will close this exchange, and consign you to my virtual ignore list, with the remark that of all fanatics I've run into on FR, you are among the most unpleasant.

878 posted on 04/29/2006 7:38:20 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
"Strictly for the benefit of the lurkers, Table Talk was edited by Martin Bormann from original transcripts made by two scribes Bormann chose, and while it purports to be a record of Hitler's dinner time meanderings, there is no independent evidence of the veracity of the material."

You have been busy at the leftwing loony bin, the NoBelief site:

Hitler's Table Talk
http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources.htm


You might consider venturing a little further than gleaning your sum of knowledge from a site that thinks 9/11 was perpetrated by George Bush.

Bormann was Hitler's shadow. He was a chain-smoking, alcoholic and meat eater, who constantly tried to give up all these things to be like his idol, Adolf Hitler.

It betrays a total and absolute ignorance of Bormann and Hitler to pretend that he would have purposefully and systematically rewritten Hitler's thoughts--which were being recorded for posterity. He wouldn't have dared. Not in a million years.

But more tellingly, the "two scribes" Heim and Picker, both survived Bormann and the war. Picker even went on to author other books. Either one of them could have easily come forward and said that "Table Talk" misrepresented their notes. They didn't.

Furthermore, most of the other participants in these conversations, such as Christa Schroeder, also lived long past the end of the war and the publication of Hitler's conversations. They also wrote books, gave interviews, etc. They could have (and would have) objected to any misrepresentation of Hitler's thoughts. They didn't.

However, I just picked "Table Talk" because it is the most concentrated form of Hitler's thoughts on the subject. But similar expressions also appear in his other books and of course his speeches.

I have presented quite lengthy and thorough documentation of my claims. You have just made assertions and the most ludicrous personal attacks.

You have revealed yourself to be the worst kind of propagandist and liar. All to promote your agenda.

Funny, isn't that what you claim your opponents here do?

(And for the record, I am an atheist and I probably accept more of Darwin's theories than that I reject. I also had never even heard of Intelligent Design until a few weeks ago. So you and your pals can save your "superior than thou" attacks.)

You are clearly mentally unbalanced and a waste of time.

895 posted on 04/29/2006 8:18:54 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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