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Dinosaur Shocker (YEC say dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years)
Smithsonian Magazine ^ | May 1, 2006 | Helen Fields

Posted on 05/01/2006 8:29:14 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: Doctor Stochastic
I'll match your link and raise you several:

ReligiousTolerance.org Carbon-14 Dating (C-14): Beliefs of New-Earth Creationists

The American Scientific Affiliation: Science in Christian Perspective Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective by Dr. Roger C. Wiens.

This site, BiblicalChronologist.org has a series of good articles on radiocarbon dating.

Tree Ring and C14 Dating

Radiocarbon WEB-info Radiocarbon Laboratory, University of Waikato, New Zealand.

This is one of my favorite fields, so if anyone has any questions I will try to address them (on the morrow).

441 posted on 05/01/2006 8:59:01 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Creationists know Jack Chick about evolution.)
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To: Ichneumon
For example, blind cave fish are blind not only because they no longer need their eyes (since they live in darkness), but because a quirk in their biochemistry makes it so that by losing their eyes, they are able to smell better -- which is obviously a big help in a lightless environment.

Interesting - do you have a reference on this, or like development of vestigial organs/parts? (I'm curious to learn a little more.)

I've often wondered how natural selection leads to the loss of working structures (i.e. my incredulity needs some resolution on this issue).

442 posted on 05/01/2006 8:59:56 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Confidence follows from consilience.)
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To: Coyoteman

So many links, so little time...I am sure I will have some questions, but 'on the morrow' will certainly be too soon for me...but then I know where to find you, so no problem...thanks for the links...


445 posted on 05/01/2006 9:05:39 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: SirLinksalot
It sure took long enough for them to write this cover-up piece. But they neglected the real 'meat' of the story. Most of the meat was outside of the bone, not inside.

No matter, truth is of no use to an evolutionist, and they even reinvent God himself around their evil belief system.

446 posted on 05/01/2006 9:11:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Quark2005

Thanks for the link, it was very interesting.

It's really sad to see discussion of such an awesome find aborted by the usual nonsense.


447 posted on 05/01/2006 9:18:15 PM PDT by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

My mom used to raise collies. They were highly intelligent. She claimed that their vocabulary was upwards of 100 words. I believed her, and you could talk to those dogs as you would child, and they'd follow directions. It was amazing.


448 posted on 05/01/2006 9:35:19 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Sofa King

Lately, these threads have had discussions on two separate wavelenghts going at the same time.


449 posted on 05/01/2006 9:36:25 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: ahayes
It is important for the sake of accuracy to emphasize that the samples removed from the fossil were indeed hard and mineralized, not soft like raw marrow as some sources have stated (based I believe on your misleading commentary).

Surely you're not suggesting that the pseudo science creationists would deliberately mislead the flock about the state of the evidence they're pretending to do scientific research on are you? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

450 posted on 05/01/2006 9:36:40 PM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: shuckmaster

Why are the non-eyewitnesses claiming that the "meat" was on the outside?


451 posted on 05/01/2006 9:39:45 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: mlc9852
So you believe soft tissue can survive millions of years? LOL

So you believe the mineralized fossil was actually "soft"? LOL!!! I doesn't take to much of a deliberate misrepresentation of the facts to mislead you does it?

452 posted on 05/01/2006 9:40:46 PM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: JCEccles
There isn't the slightest doubt in my mind that if the three branches of our government were controlled by people sympathetic to the ACLU, within ten years religious believers in this country would be rounded up like cattle and liquidated to "improve the species."

Oh, you mean they'd use intelligently designed means to try to produce beneficial micro-evolutionary changes to an existing species?

Yes, I too would fear the prospect of those in power trying to intelligently design micro-evolutionary changes into our species.

453 posted on 05/01/2006 9:50:12 PM PDT by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: "The Great Influenza" by Barry)
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To: Virginia-American
We found a fossil of a hominid, being eaten by an allosaurus dinosaur. Look at the picture.

Wow! That looks as real as a scene from an old Godzilla movie!

454 posted on 05/01/2006 9:52:42 PM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: TXnMA

Thanks for your insights, TXnMA!


455 posted on 05/01/2006 9:52:58 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: editor-surveyor
But they neglected the real 'meat' of the story. Most of the meat was outside of the bone, not inside.

It's pretty obvious that most of the meat was in the story tellers bone head.

456 posted on 05/01/2006 10:05:14 PM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

NOW you have me REALLY confused!!!


457 posted on 05/01/2006 10:37:55 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Four-time Bush Voter 1994-2004!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Coyoteman
One other source of contamination by modern 14C is the mass spectrometer itself. High-vacuum equipment is made of stainless steel, and stainless is full of carbon. In addition, there is plastic tubing where the sample is introduced, CO2 leaks from the atmosphere, etc.

One very persuasive experiment they did was to look at the 'age' as a function of the amount of carbon used. If using more sample results in the sample looking 'older', you have a problem!

(My wife is a high vacuum scientist. When I told her about the sort of thing Humphreys and coworkers were trying to do, she laughed, and said 'don't these guys understand systematic errors?')

458 posted on 05/01/2006 11:31:42 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Hehe. Thanks for the ping. The march of Evolutionist desperation moves onward and downward. Can't wait for Coulter's new book. Evidently, she liked my tagline.. lol.


459 posted on 05/02/2006 12:52:58 AM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

That's it! I'm confiscating your cat for excessive cuteness!


460 posted on 05/02/2006 3:21:29 AM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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