Posted on 05/01/2006 8:29:14 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
You have to understand, in his universe, A does not equal A. Logic doesn't apply. Something can be unfalsifiable AND falsified at the same time. War is peace. Love is hate.
That's the impression I've gotten.
I be sure did.
"Oh, so evidence that existed, did not exist."
If he faked it it wasn't evidence, which is why nobody could replicate his work. In order for your analogy to hold, you have to demonstrate faked evidence in support of evolution. Good luck with that.
Evolution cannot be unfalsifiable and have evidence that goes against it. It's logically impossible.
Unlike ID. (Talk about unfalsifiable, and a complete lack of evidence to boot!)
I be sure did.
You've convinced yourself. However, what you wrote.."I contend that Darwinism is also non-falsifiable. Any evidence contrary to the dogma will be marginalized and ridiculed." obviously contradicts itself.
Won't you enlighten the lurkers on how it doesn't?
Really!!??? I suppose the marginalizing and ridiculing I mentioned in my second contention would be done for grins.
Really!!??? I suppose the marginalizing and ridiculing I mentioned in my second contention would be done for grins.
More likely for religious, rather than scientific reasons.
I already did.
I believe that to folks who believe in God (and thus, by extension, must believe in ID in some form or another), the YEC-ers are the equivalent of the "crazy aunt up in the attic"...better to ignore and deny their existence than to acknowledge a relationship...
The small minority of YEC-ers have done a better job discrediting religious people than any atheist could ever do....
They are nuts, plain and simple; know-nothing, don't want to know anything, nut jobs....
That is my opinion (and, OBTW, I am a Christian...who agrees completely with Pope John Paul II's statement on this subject...)
Do you know what a contention(assertion) is?
"Do you know what a contention(assertion) is?"
Yes; do you?
The church of Dawkins is rather well attended here.
Such a beautiful, well-meditated, heartfelt, and eminently rational post there, Heartlander. IMHO FWIW.
But not to worry: Truth is Truth. There is nothing that man can do to modify it or displace it in one iota. The universe itself depends on it for its existence, its order.
And so it stands to reason: History repeats itself because it is governed by higher laws that human beings do not pay adequate attention to. And so we ever seem to be "surprised" by its enfoldment in time.
In the meanwhile, Man is called to recognize and adjust himself to a reality that was already "ordered" before he was born into the world.. There is no rational evasion from the proposition that Truth finally rules the universe.
A "ratio" always invokes that which is the determining factor by which one changing thing can be interpreted by reference to another thing which does not change.
We know that in nature, some things change, and some things don't. If we didn't think so, then we'd have to throw out any conceivable basis by which to establish universal law -- which is the "thing" that does not change. And at that point, science itself would be dead.
And science itself is supposed to be a rational activity. So why would it want to do that -- to "throw out the baby with the bathwater," as it were?
The reason "history repeats itself" is because Truth is alive in history, as it is in science, as it is in any human endeavor of any kind at any time. And mankind is slow to "take the lesson."
Thank you so much for your beautiful essay Heartlander. I'll be meditating it further my friend.
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the heavens, and the other elements of the world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and the moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to be certain from reason and experience. Now it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and they hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make confident assertions [quoting 1Ti. 1:7].St. Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis, 1:42-43.
I already did.
So you wish to let the record stand as it is?
I contend that Darwinism is also non-falsifiable.
The church of Dawkins is rather well attended here.
Are you suggesting that your opposition to the theory of evolution is scientific, not religious, in nature?
And I am not clear on what Dawkins and his church has to do with your specific objections to evolution?
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