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Dinosaur Shocker (YEC say dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years)
Smithsonian Magazine ^ | May 1, 2006 | Helen Fields

Posted on 05/01/2006 8:29:14 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: trashcanbred

Why would I want fossils destroyed? That's a ridiculous assumption on your part. I think science is great. But I also understand how it changes so I'm not too worried about evolution. It will eventually be proven that humans didn't descend from ape-like creatures.


81 posted on 05/01/2006 9:46:45 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: ChewedGum

I'm not sure what you mean.


82 posted on 05/01/2006 9:47:48 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Das Outsider
Evolutionists are spinning this just as much as creationists are. Both perspectives can learn from this, but you have to agree that finding blood cells from dinosaurs strengthens the creationist position more.

How does it strengthen the creationist position? By what? Proving a young Earth? Oh... well gee... I suppose if we ignore radiometric dating you might have a point there. But since we cannot... all we can say is there is more proof of Santa Claus and Elvis still living than there is of creation. Now... is that spin? Nope just cold hard facts... which is mighty inconvenient of me I know.

83 posted on 05/01/2006 9:48:32 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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ping for later


84 posted on 05/01/2006 9:52:40 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: mlc9852
How do you know how old it is? And would it be in the same condition encased in amber as encased in bone?

"How do you know? Where you there?"

The image is an insect fossil dated to the Devonian. That's something like 350-400 million years old. Though it has been totally fossilized, its physical shape is in excellent condition. Of course, it woudn't be in the same condition. Bone fossils in earth calcify, while insect fossils are permiated by the sap.

In this article, they took mineralized tissues and soaked them in a mild acid bath that would eat away calcium. What was left were some tissues that had not *completely* fossilized.

If the physical structure of a 300 million year old fossil may remain largely in tact, why should it be impossible that some tough connective tissue not completely fossilize when surrounded and permiated by minerals?

Science has always described fossilization as a gradual process. That we should find partially fossilized tissue, as exciting of a discovery as it is, should not be construed as the downfall of science.

85 posted on 05/01/2006 9:54:43 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: GourmetDan

There is a simple molecule, tetraethyldiamine, which is also known as putrescin. It gets this descriptive name because it smells like rotting flesh. It is produced by the degradation of proteins in a dead animal. Putrescin and other simple amines and sulfur-containing molecules could stay trapped in the rock until released with excavation. Just because something's been dead for millions of years doesn't mean it can't smell like anything.


86 posted on 05/01/2006 9:55:16 AM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: trashcanbred; DaveLoneRanger
How does it strengthen the creationist position? By what? Proving a young Earth? Oh... well gee... I suppose if we ignore radiometric dating you might have a point there. But since we cannot... all we can say is there is more proof of Santa Claus and Elvis still living than there is of creation. Now... is that spin? Nope just cold hard facts... which is mighty inconvenient of me I know.

Did you happen to notice that those two sentences which, I assume, you attributed to me, were italicized, as in a quote from DaveLoneRanger? I apologize for interrupting a thoroughly risible rant. Carry on.
87 posted on 05/01/2006 9:56:34 AM PDT by Das Outsider (Are Marxist academics and apostate bishops trustworthy enough to tell you who the "real" Jesus is?)
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To: mlc9852
Just so long as we win in the end. One day we will know who was right. I'll stick with God.

"The ends justify the means."

88 posted on 05/01/2006 9:57:12 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: SirLinksalot
Yes,bring back the T-Rex to eat the terrorists,the
libs,the hollow-wood elite.T-Rex the next deadly
weapon.
89 posted on 05/01/2006 9:58:50 AM PDT by CommieCrusher
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To: Coyoteman; BillH

Not to mention the relative strategraphic positioning of the rocks. In other words, the rocks which were laid down first (underneath others) are older than the ones on top; in every case, the fossils found in the older beds have been found to be older by various other dating methods.

ID'ers/YECs - show me just ONE example of a fossil of a modern human in the same sedimentary rock layer as a dinosaur, OR IN AN EARLIER LAYER, and I will admit you are right. Or the fossil of a T-rex with a modern animal in its jaws or gut, or a modern predator with the remains of a dinosaur. You won't find one.


90 posted on 05/01/2006 9:59:32 AM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: mlc9852
That's a ridiculous assumption on your part

OH I am sooo sorry... but wasn't it you who said "As long as we win in the end..."? Hey... what do you know you DID say that? I am sure the Taliban, Stalin, Pol Pot, and many more have said the same thing. Normally people who make such statements don't give damned about truth and often go out of their way to rid themselves of any opposition to their beliefs. Sorry... I am always so cynical of those who are truth stompers but you see... that is how I see ID'ers... I see them as wanting to indoctrinate everyone into their cult.

Now you know what... if a scientist actually proposed a theory that was different from Evolution but explained what we see in the fossil record and what we see today that is perfectly fine. But to say... we are all designed by an Intelligent Designer...and the proof is what? NOTHING? And then you use political pressure and bullying tactics to push that as an equivalent theory to Evolution in public schools and complain when scientists won't give you the time of day... Well... you are no more scientific than PT Barnum in my book. How simple must I explain this?

91 posted on 05/01/2006 10:01:03 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: RoadTest

You did read that part about how she's a Christian, didn't you? I would hardly think that qualifies as "worshiping Evolution".

Man, that hyperbole gets tired......


92 posted on 05/01/2006 10:02:16 AM PDT by 2nsdammit (By definition it's hard to get suicide bombers with experience.)
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To: Das Outsider

Oh... my bad sorry.


93 posted on 05/01/2006 10:02:34 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: GourmetDan

Evolution doesn't try to predict decay as far as I know.


94 posted on 05/01/2006 10:03:40 AM PDT by Some hope remaining.
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To: Liberal Classic

I didn't think it was the downfall of science at all. I thought it was pretty cool.


95 posted on 05/01/2006 10:04:13 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: 2nsdammit
Or the fossil of a T-rex with a modern animal in its jaws or gut, or a modern predator with the remains of a dinosaur.

How about a human's remains in the stomach of a T. rex? That would be nifty!

96 posted on 05/01/2006 10:06:46 AM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: CommieCrusher
Yes,bring back the T-Rex to eat the terrorists,the libs,the hollow-wood elite.T-Rex the next deadly weapon.

Until the terrorists learn to strap large bombs to them. Some Middle Eastern dictator could then offer $25,000 to dinosaurs' relatives. The Left would deny that exploding dinosaurs ever existed.
97 posted on 05/01/2006 10:06:55 AM PDT by Das Outsider (Are Marxist academics and apostate bishops trustworthy enough to tell you who the "real" Jesus is?)
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To: ahayes

"However, it is unfortunately more likely that the sample will prove to be fully mineralized and lacking any utilizable amount of untransformed biomolecules."

Thanks. Maybe another example of sensationalism.


98 posted on 05/01/2006 10:11:08 AM PDT by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: DocRock

I wonder what the cholesterol levels were...


99 posted on 05/01/2006 10:11:40 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: trashcanbred

What is your point? To not allow any opposition to TOE? LOL


100 posted on 05/01/2006 10:12:57 AM PDT by mlc9852
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