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To: TXnMA
I am unable to accept the famed "Man Tracks" in the Paluxy limestone near glen Rose, TX, (because I know who carved them, and I have run my fingers over his chisel marks).

I think even Glen J. Kuban, who has probably spent more time investigating these tracks than just about anybody else, and who does not accept the tracks as human, would not buy the assertions that these tracks were carved, that you know the person that carved them, and that you have run your fingers over the chisel marks:

"The Taylor Site contains a long trail of deeply impressed dinosaur tracks, and several shallower trails, four of which have been claimed by many creationists to be human: the Giant Run Trail, the Turnage Trail, the Taylor Trail, and the Ryals Trail (which includes a large hole reported to be the spot from which a human track was removed many years ago). Many of these alleged "man tracks" were fairly shallow and more or less oblong in shape, and did not match the shape of any dinosaur tracks known to the Taylor crew. Some of the these tracks did vaguely resemble human footprints, however, many of the tracks also showed problematic (non-human) features (discussed further below). This site has received more acclaim than other "man track" sites for the following reasons: 1) The elongated tracks on this site are numerous and occur in clear right-left sequences; 2) At least some of these tracks were excavated from under previously undisturbed strata, precluding the possibility that they are carvings or erosion marks; 3) Many of them show "mud push-ups" and other features confirming that they are real tracks and not erosion marks or carvings; 4) Several of the "man tracks" were reported to show clear human toe marks when first uncovered[4] (although no published photographs have ever shown this); and 5) Three of the alleged human trails (Taylor, Turnage, and Giant Run) intersect the trail of deep and distinct dinosaur tracks, providing clear evidence that the elongated tracks and the deep dinosaur tracks were made at approximately the same time."
http://paleo.cc/paluxy/tsite.htm"
Cordially,
1,061 posted on 05/03/2006 7:29:54 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Diamond; DaveLoneRanger; mlc9852; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; curiosity; hurly
I think even Glen J. Kuban, who has probably spent more time investigating these tracks than just about anybody else, and who does not accept the tracks as human, would not buy the assertions that these tracks were carved, that you know the person that carved them, and that you have run your fingers over the chisel marks:

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Thank you for pointing me to Kuban's website! Not only does Kuban agree with me, he cites the same discrepancies that I observed.

I am, at present, writing up a detailed description of my observations (in HTML -- for publication here on FR).

While I am doing so, you need to be aware of the following salient facts:

When I have completed my write-up, I will copy you on it.


From Kuban's own website [emphasis mine -- TXnMA]:

Baugh Sites Examined

In my study of Baugh/McFall sites in 1982 and 1983 I found that none of the "man tracks" there closely resembled real human prints. Some were mud-collapsed and/or poorly preserved specimens of metatarsal dinosaur tracks. Several in striding sequence were dinosaur tracks with partial metatarsal impressions; these Baugh had identified as human tracks overlapping dinosaur tracks. Others were long (and sometimes curved), incompletely cleaned grooves which occurred near dinosaur trails. These may have represented intermittent impressions of the dinosaur's tail, snout, or other body parts. Other "man tracks" were vague, shallow, often isolated depressions (not in striding trails), with only a remote resemblance to human footprints. One set of "toe marks" were composed of an invertebrate burrow system (made by ancient worms or crustaceans). Other alleged "toes" were small notches or grooves at the margins of vague depressions, formed by selectively abrading or pushing into firm marl (limy clay) left at the margins of incompletely cleaned depressions, or gouging [carving] at friable portions of the limestone. Often this was done under the pretense of "uncovering" toes; such misconduct by Baugh was repeatedly witnessed by myself, Alfred West and others present at the site, and can be seen in one of Baugh’s own video tapes (Baugh, 1982).

Despite Baugh's creative efforts, none of the markings on his excavations closely resembled real human footprints. Many of the print outlines, alleged toe marks, and other features showed unnatural shapes, sizes, and positions. As time went on Baugh's boldness in manipluating field evidence seemed to increase; at one point he claimed to have excavated a giant human print (dubbed "Max") which was almost 26 inches long. As this author [Glen J. Kuban] and others confirmed by first-hand examination, it had been merely gouged into the firm marl overyling the limestone track surface. It's bottom countours and other features conflicted severely with those of a real human print, even aside from its monstously large size.

When critical observers visited the site, Baugh would often state that the prints were perfect when first found, but that the toes had "eroded away quickly." Indeed, they did often deteriorate quickly--much more quickly than real features in rock, because such toes were typically composed of marl or clay incompletely or selectively removed [carved] from the substrate. Real track features generally remain recognizable for years or even decades. Baugh's other alleged out-of-order fossils were found to be similarly lacking in scientific support, as reviewed in a later section.

Baugh's so-called "Max" giant print. Besides its immense size and unnatural features
(especially the lack of normal bottom contours), the author [Glen J. Kuban]
confirmed that the print margins were entirely composed of marl (the hard clay
above the track surface) that had been gouged [carved]
to suggest a human-like shape.


Cordially, as well...

1,127 posted on 05/03/2006 11:35:18 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Repeat San Jacinto!)
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