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To: betty boop

I believe RWP said "they" are allowed to have opinions. I don't recall him saying "their" opions are more valuable.

The only thing being suppressed these days would be the aspirations of theocrats to have religion taught as science in science classes.


1,256 posted on 05/04/2006 11:59:49 AM PDT by js1138
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The only thing being suppressed these days would be the aspirations of theocrats to have religion taught as science in science classes.

Rant, rant, rant....

1,258 posted on 05/04/2006 12:05:02 PM PDT by betty boop (Death... is the separation from one another of two things, soul and body; nothing else.)
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To: js1138

EVOs claim creationists suppress science, but from my perspective, what most EVOs appear to suppress is any knowledge of God. (Disclaimer: not intended in any way to suggest teaching religious doctrine in your “precious” public schools.)

Want to know the easiest way to deceive yourselves? Romans 1:28 - Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. Many think this is a reference to sexual perversion but depraved refers to any type of corruption.

IMHO the biggest assumption with all the age-dating methods is uniformity – that all the conditions found when a fossil is uncovered have always remained the same. Is this not the main tenet for FR folks rejecting global warming? This flys directly in the face of common sense. If anything corrupted the fossils and then leached out of the environment you assume it must always leave a trace.

Another excerpt defining science from Walt Brown’s heavily researched website: http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/FAQ12.html#wp1619382

Let me define science.
science: A field of study seeking to better understand natural phenomena through the use of observations and experiments.
Broad, but increasingly precise and concise, relationships are sought between causes and effects. These relationships, called scientific laws, help predict future phenomena and explain past events.
Notice, this does not mean the first cause must be naturalistic. It is poor logic to say that because science deals with natural, cause-and-effect relationships, the first cause must be a natural event. Furthermore, if the first cause were a natural consequence of something else, it would not be the first cause. Scientific laws can provide great insight on ultimate origins even though the first cause cannot, by definition, be duplicated. Yes, there was a beginning. [See Items 53 and 55 beginning on page 27.]
Scientific conclusions, while never final, must be based on evidence.
scientific evidence: Something that has been observed with instruments or our senses, is verifiable, and helps support or refute possible explanations for phenomena.
All evidence in Part I of this book is based on observable, natural phenomena that others can check. To most people, this evidence implies a creation and a global flood. This does not mean the Creator (The First Cause) can be studied scientifically or that the Bible should be read in public-school science classes. (I have always opposed that.) Those who want evolution taught without the clear evidence opposing it, in effect, wish to censor a large body of scientific evidence from schools. That is wrong. Also, the consequences of a global flood have been misinterpreted as evidence for evolution, not as evidence for a flood. That misinterpretation, unfortunately, is taught as science. [See Part II.]
Explanations other than creation or a global flood may someday be proposed that are (1) consistent with all that evidence and (2) demonstrable by repeatable, cause-and-effect relationships. Until that happens, those who ignore existing evidence are being quite unscientific. Evolutionists’ refusal to debate this subject (see page 343) and their speculations on cause-and-effect phenomena that cannot be demonstrated is also poor science, especially when much evidence opposes those speculations.
Evolutionists raise several objections. Some say, “Even though evidence may imply a sudden creation, creation is supernatural, not natural, and cannot be entertained as a scientific explanation.” Of course, no one understands scientifically how the creation occurred—how space, time, matter, and the laws of physics began. [See Figure 156 on page 336 and the paragraph preceding that figure.] Others, not disputing that the flood best explains many features on earth, object to a global flood, because the Bible—a document they wish to discredit—speaks of the flood. Still others object to the starting point for the flood (given on page 110), but in science, all starting points are available. The key question must always be, “What best explains all the evidence?”
Also, the source of a scientific idea does not need to be scientifically derived. For example, Friedrich Kekulé discovered the ring structure of benzene in a dream in which a snake grabbed its tail. Kekulé’s discovery laid the basis for structural chemistry. Again, what is important is not the source of an idea, but whether all evidence supports it better than any other explanation. Science, after all, is a search for truth about how the physical universe behaves. Therefore, let’s teach all the science.





1,366 posted on 05/05/2006 9:12:05 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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