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To: King Prout; Alamo-Girl; marron; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Right Wing Professor; PatrickHenry; ...
Good luck, see you in a few years.

Hahahahahahaha King Prout! On this "might versus right" question, we can both save ourselves a lot of time were I to point out to you the desirability of reading Plato's magnificent dialog, Gorgias, and you were actually to read it.

THEN I imagine we'd both be "on the same page," and actually be able to have a fruitful conversation.

In this dialog, Plato not only utterly lays waste to the "might makes right" argument, but also the "man is the measure" argument.

You might find it interesting. Plus you'd get a huge bonus: The dialog is a world-class drama. (Plato was, among other things, a world-class literary artist.) Polus is a simply uproarious comic figure. And Callicles is a very dangerous, ambitious man with a libido dominandi that just won't quit. His mortal threat to Socrates in the end is profoundly chilling.... (Though we have to wait for the dialog Apology to find out how that plays out.)

I wonder why this amazing "screenplay" has never been staged.

But if you don't feel like reading Gorgias, you can always ask me what the dispute was about, and what happened. I've already indicated some of the main themes.

Thanks for writing, King!

785 posted on 05/02/2006 3:43:27 PM PDT by betty boop (The world of Appearance is Reality’s cloak -- "Nature loves to hide.")
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To: betty boop

when it comes to Plato, I'm in Aristotle's camp ;)-


996 posted on 05/02/2006 9:32:49 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: betty boop

now, are you going to answer the challenge?
be aware, I intend to rebut any answer you give to the challenge, showing how "right" is indeed defined by the might of the one making the definitions.

I should note that I erred - I did not specifiy that "right" in this application specifically excludes mathematically correct solutions to specific problems, mechanically sound design, etc... we are speaking SOLELY of the form/concept of "right" tied to "morality"


999 posted on 05/02/2006 9:39:23 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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