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Lies our drug warriors told us
Reno News and Review ^ | August 24th, 2006 | Dennis Myers

Posted on 08/25/2006 6:26:19 AM PDT by cryptical

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To: mugs99

To: Zon
The year before the 1914 Harrison Anti-drug Act 1.3% of the US population was addicted to drugs. In 1970, 1.3% were addicted to drugs. In 2003, 1.3% were addicted to drugs.

Liberties lost, over two million in prison and drug addiction has remained the same!
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201 posted on 08/26/2006 11:49:25 AM EDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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281 posted on 08/27/2006 7:53:35 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: Boiler Plate
The year before the 1914 Harrison Anti-drug Act 1.3% of the US population was addicted to drugs. In 1970, 1.3% were addicted to drugs. In 2003, 1.3% were addicted to drugs....Posted By Zon

over two million in prison...2,186,230 inmates as of June 30, 2005
Bureau of Justice Statistics
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282 posted on 08/27/2006 8:53:36 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

The Bureau of Justice provides statistics on crime and prison populations. I still do not see where you got your numbers.

Here is your link

NATION'S PRISON AND JAIL POPULATION GREW 2.6 PERCENT DURING
12 MONTHS THAT ENDED JUNE 30, 2005
WASHINGTON -- During the year that ended last June 30, the nation's prison and jail population grew 2.6 percent, reaching 2,186,230 inmates behind bars, the Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced today. Two thirds were in state or federal prisons (1,438,701) and the other third (747,529) were in local jails.

The 12-month increase of 56,428 prison and jail inmates was the equivalent of 1,085 new inmates every week, the BJS report said. Other report highlights include:

During the period, 10 state systems grew by more than 5 percent, led by Montana (up 7.9 percent), South Dakota (up 7.8 percent), and Minnesota (up 6.7 percent).
Three state systems -- Florida (up 2,812 inmates), Texas (up 2,228), and North Carolina (up 1,482) -- accounted for more than 40 percent of the state growth.
Twelve state systems reported population decreases, including Vermont (down 2.9 percent), Idaho (down 2.8 percent) and New York (down 2.5 percent)
The Federal prison population rose 2.9 percent, reaching 184,484 inmates.
The Census of Jail Inmates, conducted on June 30 of 2005, recorded a 33,539 inmate increase, the largest 12-month growth since 1997.

Women make up an increasing proportion of jail inmates, reaching 12.7 percent of the population
in 2005, compared to 10.2 percent in 1995.

At midyear 2005, nearly 6 in 10 offenders in local jails were racial or ethnic minorities, which
was nearly unchanged in the last 10 years.

During the period, slightly more inmates (33,539) than beds (33,398) were added to local jail capacity. At the midyear, jail facilities were operating at 95 percent of rated capacity.

During the 12-month period, the number of women under the jurisdiction of state and federal prison authorities rose 3.4 percent (from 102,691 to 106,174), while the number of men rose by 1.3 percent (from 1,389,143 to 1,406,649). At midyear 2005, women accounted for 7.0 percent of all prisoners, up from 6.1 percent at yearend 1995.

Since 1995 the nation's prison and jail population has risen by more than 600,000 inmates. At midyear 2005 one in every 136 U.S. residents were in prison or jail.

Louisiana and Georgia led the nation in percentage of their state residents incarcerated (with more than 1 percent of their state residents in prison or jail at midyear 2005). Maine and Minnesota had the lowest rates of incarceration (with 0.3 percent or less of their state residents incarcerated).

At midyear 2005, nearly 4.7 percent of black males were in prison or jail, compared to 1.9 percent of Hispanic males, and 0.7 percent of white males. Among males in their late 20s, nearly 12 percent of black males, compared to 3.9 percent of Hispanic males and 1.7 percent of white males, were incarcerated.

The report, "Prison and Jail Inmates at Midyear 2005" (NCJ-213133), was written by BJS statisticians Allen J. Beck and Paige M. Harrison. Following publication, the report can be found at:
www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/pjim05.htm

Additional information about BJS statistical reports and programs is available from the BJS website at www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs.

The Office of Justice Programs provides federal leadership in developing the nation's capacity to prevent and control crime, administer justice and assist victims. OJP is headed by an Assistant Attorney General and comprises five component bureaus and two offices: the Bureau of Justice Assistance; the Bureau of Justice Statistics; the National Institute of Justice; the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention; and the Office for Victims of Crime, as well as the Office of the Police Corps and Law Enforcement Education and the Community Capacity Development Office, which incorporates the Weed and Seed strategy and OJP's American Indian and Alaska Native Affairs Desk. More information can be found at www.ojp.usdoj.gov.


283 posted on 08/27/2006 9:25:50 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: Boiler Plate

Most of the prisons leave only the violent offenders in prisons due to a simple lack of space.

Most violent offenders are drug offenders who like to mess with missing stuff, like alcohol with pot, heroine and something else and so forth.

In California a third of our prisons are filled with illegals.


284 posted on 08/27/2006 9:30:35 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
That is all true. I just would like to know where this concept that drug addiction is constant comes from.
285 posted on 08/27/2006 9:45:41 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: A CA Guy

There is nothing satanic about an herb!
It is a textual impossibility on multiple levels.
God made it, saw that it was good and gave it to man.
Evil resides in wrongful action in one toward an other.
Persecution and terrorism for the sake of someones perverted
sense or purity are undeniable evils which should be ended.
Anyone opposed to ending this unconscionable civil war is
adverse to the expressed will of God and thereby like unto
Satan, the adversary, when he denied the will of God by
refusing to serve man. You serve yourself, you deny the
will of God, you impose your will upon others. Rather than
serve your brothers, you judge and punish some of them in
order to terrorize the rest into obeying your will. You
are what this country was designed to oppose; the dominating beast. Seek peace!


286 posted on 08/27/2006 9:49:15 PM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen. 1:29)
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To: Boiler Plate

There is a lot of wiggle room with the word constant.

Constant in that an addict is always an addict with his brain chemistry changed?

Constant, that a kid who does drugs a month in school will be an addict for the rest of their life?

Constant, meaning it is at some level always with us like crime and war?

Constant, in that law enforcement will always have to go after bad stuff to keep numbers down from what they might become without it?

All depends what the context of CONSTANT would be.

I think 3 of the 4 I gave as examples are true for the most part.


287 posted on 08/27/2006 9:49:24 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: PaxMacian
God made man, but the man that murders is not of God.

God made various herbs of which many medicines have been made to help man, but people who recreationaly change their metabolism with all the drugs are not using any form of herb righteously. That would be of the shadows, not light.
288 posted on 08/27/2006 9:51:39 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Stop spouting lies! Most violent offenders are on alcohol.


289 posted on 08/27/2006 9:54:33 PM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen. 1:29)
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To: Boiler Plate
The Bureau of Justice provides statistics on crime and prison populations. I still do not see where you got your numbers.
Here is your link


I didn't post any numbers.
I commented to Zon, "over two million in prison".
Right at the top of the page you posted back to me from my link: "WASHINGTON -- During the year that ended last June 30, the nation's prison and jail population grew 2.6 percent, reaching 2,186,230 inmates behind bars, the Department of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced today."

If it's the 1.3% you want to know about...Ask Zon.
Zon's post is in italics. The original post:

To: Zon
The year before the 1914 Harrison Anti-drug Act 1.3% of the US population was addicted to drugs. In 1970, 1.3% were addicted to drugs. In 2003, 1.3% were addicted to drugs.

Liberties lost, over two million in prison and drug addiction has remained the same!

201 posted on 08/26/2006 8:49:25 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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290 posted on 08/27/2006 10:02:20 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: PaxMacian

Big pot users who did thier crimes mixing it with booze as you say and other drugs.


291 posted on 08/27/2006 10:04:35 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: mugs99

Sorry, I thought you had used the italics to point out a source quote.


292 posted on 08/27/2006 10:24:36 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: Boiler Plate

:-)


293 posted on 08/27/2006 10:28:50 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: A CA Guy

That is exactly what I am trying to get at. There aren't any reliable figureson drug use going back to 1914. While it may seem prudent to some to end the WOD because of claims that it is inneffective I really don't want to try the alternative.


294 posted on 08/27/2006 10:29:13 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: mugs99

Good night.


295 posted on 08/27/2006 10:30:07 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: Boiler Plate

A good night to you too!


296 posted on 08/27/2006 10:33:28 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Boiler Plate

Nobody thought to keep all kinds of records past the ones on weather back then because we were into the industrial revolution.
Might have been some hospital studies around or the odd person looking into the issues though.

There is nothing ineffective about law enforcement to restrict drugs. In other countries where they made it legal drug addiction grew.

There is always going to be law enforcement stopping drug dealing, rape, murder and jay walking.

I do get bothered by the addicted ones talking about recreational drugs like a sacrament though. Adults can laugh them off, but kids take the acceptance of adults in these matters as meaning it is safe to use the drugs. That is the biggest problem and danger I see with drug activism.


297 posted on 08/27/2006 10:37:57 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

"I do get bothered by the addicted ones talking about recreational drugs like a sacrament though. "

You are bothered because you are not at peace.
It is called free speech or would you like that right taken away too?

"There is nothing ineffective about law enforcement to restrict drugs. "

What percent of users or dealers are ever caught or convicted? Miniscule! Effective? Only in terrorizing the people they have sworn to defend are they effective in your eyes. You want the children to fear the substance and fear the enforcer of heresy. Most occurences of the word 'fear' in the Bible are followed by the word 'not.' Fear is not conduscive to peace.

"When the government fears the people there is liberty;
when the people fear the government there is tyranny"--Thomas Jefferson"


298 posted on 08/28/2006 12:43:13 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen. 1:29)
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To: pageonetoo

Still no answer on the mother of your child?


299 posted on 08/28/2006 3:46:44 AM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: Amos the Prophet
This was your challenge:

As in, why do you not respond to my concern. To wit, the false claims that drug stupor is a higher form of consciousness are murderous in intent and effect.

It's not 1965 anymore, my friend. Your point is at least 40 years too late.

300 posted on 08/28/2006 6:22:19 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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