Posted on 08/02/2009 1:35:53 AM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/06/2009 12:10:02 AM PDT by John Robinson. [history]
What would you estimate is the likelihood of being able to reverse engineer a suitably fictitious document, with dates that correspond roughly with timeline of key events as currently revealed?
I don't think the Kenyan "birth certificate" is real.
But if were real, and if Obama was forced in some fashion to step down, just think, we'll have the Incredible Human Gaffe Machine, Joe Biden, for President, and whoever the Pelosi / Reid / Soros Congress approves for VP.
Somehow, that doesn't seem like an improvement: we go from Evil and incompetent to Incompetent and evil.
Nothing Clinton did came close to what Obama would have done if proven to be illigible. Democratic party, Soros crowd, Media will act like he never existed
I agree, we have got to remain focused on this healthcare sham. Look at Fox news this morning, the yelling going on at the town hall meeting.
He didn’t like the number 47044 or the republic of Kenya. I think he is reading too much into that.
Please re-read the constitution for requirements to hold office.
House reps-25 yrs old; 7 years citizen.
Senator-30 yrs old; 9 year citizen.
President-35 years old; natural born citizen.
The framers meant to distinguish between citizen and natural born citizen
Yes Natuaral born is the third kind. Native born (anchor babies), Naturialized, and Natural Born are the three types.
This has been rehashed many times before.
John
So if true, that means we have Barack ibn Obama, ibn Stanley, Abu Misha, Abu Sasha, al-Mombasa....
I posted a link to the law, didn’t I?
The two parents are NOT REQUIRED if you’re born outside the U.S., but if BOTH PARENTS ARE U.S. CITIZENS, there is NO QUESTION but that you ARE a natural born citizen.
READ the damn LAW!!
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401
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§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.
You have NO LAW to back up what you allege. Read the damn law.
It specifies what is needed when only ONE PARENT is a U.S. citizen and the child is born outside of the U.S.
What they said about McCain applies to him because he WAS BORN OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES AND BOTH PARENTS ***were***
U.S. citizens. Having two parents who are citizens just makes it supereasy to tell someone born outside the U.S. is a natural born citizen. Having ONE parent only who is a citizen means the AGE provisions have to be met for that parent. Neither case has ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with a child born INSIDE the United States. Read (a) in the law. That is the current law and that is what tells you who is a citizen at birth, which means NATURAL BORN. That is, the person is a citizen at THE MOMENT the first breath is taken.
See? Born??? Citizen at birth?? They mean the same thing.
Maybe Jerome Corsi asked to see Book 44B, page 5733 when he was in Kenya? Is it possibly flagged?
Oooooooo....this is fun.
/cynicism
thanks for the link, so we are in a holding pattern to see if this is a forgery or not.
not getting too excited about it, but it may be a way to get this heard yet.
Do you have any more info on this friend of Stanley's? I hadn't heard this before.
I don’t think Kenya was a republic at that time. Kenya didn’t become independent until 1963, although direct elections started in 1957.
So if is marked “Republic of Kenya” its probably a fake.
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The same line of reasoning should be followed in if there were no bc or other records in Kenya, why are they in lock down and the tribe has a gag order?
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required.
For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
Please re-read the constitution.
House reps and Senators must be citizens.
President’s must be natural born citizens.
0bama, with a British Father, is not qualified to be POTUS
Very true. But I’m sure the left is still chafing from the drubbing Dan Blather got and wouldn’t mind giving a dose of payback via an internet hoax.
***They already did: the internet hoax was the Obama CoLB on FightTheSmears. It helped get an illegitimate national socialist presidential candidate elected.
Further, it wouldn’t take all that much to create this document. I’m not saying it’s a forgery - I’m just saying proceed slowly, quietly and cautiously until it’s confirmed (IF it’s confirmed as valid and truthful).
***Of course. But at the very least, at least now we have our forgery to fight their forgery. It’s like Pascal’s Wager of Forgeries. There are 4 cases to this approach. FightTheSmears CoLB = Forgery, Kenya CoLB = Forgery, We battle it out to get to the bottom of this. FightTheSmears CoLB = valid, Kenya CoLB = valid, we have a huge mystery on our hands, we battle it out to get to the bottom of this. FightTheSmears CoLB = valid, Kenya CoLB = Forgery, We lose. FightTheSmears CoLB = Forgery, Kenya CoLB = valid, We win. We have winning hands in 3 out of 4 of the cases.
“Read the Nyugen vs INS case for a thorough discussion of this about a man born in 1969 to a US citizen father and foreign mother.”
You are correct regarding that case, but the case specifically designates a difference in if the FATHER was a US citizen or the MOTHER was a US Citizen.
The difference is a BIG difference because there is not usually a doubt of the mother based on being present at the birth and ability to call on witnesses of the birth. However being a father, there is no proof of paternity except in a DNA/Paternity suit.
The reason the MARRAIGE was an issue in the Nyugen case is because being married automatically establishes paternity. How many child support cases have we seen where the father has to pay child support for a child that isn’t biologically his, but because he was married to the mother, he IS the LEGAL father.
In the case of Obama, his MOTHER was the citizen and there is no requirement or need for a marraige to have taken place because the issue is settled legally on his MOTHER being a US Citizen.
I hope that this makes sense and I apologize for getting snippy Rummy Chick.
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