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To: Polarik

We are deciding on the Republic of Kenya issue.

Mombasa was not IN ZANZIBAR. Mombasa is in the 10 mile strip of land OWNED BY Zanzibar and LEASED FOR 75 YEARS UNTIL THE INDEPENDENCE OF KENYA BY BRITAIN ON BEHALF OF KENYA.

Technically Zanzibar OWNED Mombasa, but they were not occupying or using it in any official capacity except collecting rent (or tribute as they called it).


4,132 posted on 08/02/2009 7:30:41 PM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: autumnraine

All of that would be great for playing “Trivial Pursuit,” but the bobttom line is whether the document is real.|

You need to find only one indelible fact to sink this ship.


4,140 posted on 08/02/2009 7:34:58 PM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: autumnraine
Technically Zanzibar OWNED Mombasa, but they were not occupying or using it in any official capacity except collecting rent (or tribute as they called it).

As we know going from grade school to grad school, history books and encyclopedias don't always pass on ALL of the details...

ONE part of the country that would eventually become Kenya may have called itself the "Republic of Kenya" before Dec. 12, 1964 and the rest of the country.

It seems that a small area of what is now part of "Coast Province" in emerging Kenya where Obama may have been born -- known as the "10-mile coastal strip" -- may have been calling itself a REPUBLIC before leading up to and shortly after Kenyan independence in Dec 1963. If not all of the ten-mile strip, perhaps just the "Coast Registry", to help cement legal claims to land, property and independence while also attempting to separate itself from Zanzibar.

As the remains of the British Protectorate were being carved up, this area wanted to ensure they would NOT be parceled to Zanzibar. Land disputes still exist there today over this.

THIS from Kenya: Revisiting Ten-Mile Strip Controversy:

This was not to be. Then acting Prime Minister, Mzee Jomo Kenyatta, the British government and the Sultan of Zanzibar declined to grant the strip autonomy.

In a letter dated October 5, 1963, Kenyatta bound his government to some undertaking in recognition of the coastal strip.

“I have the honour to refer to the discussions held between our respective governments on the subject of the coastal strip and to place on record the following undertakings by the Government of Kenya,” reads the letter to the prime minister of Zanzibar.

His note further reads: “The free hold titles to land in Coast region that are already registered will at all times be recognised. Steps will be taken to ensure the continuation procedure for the registration of new free hold titles and the rights of free holders will at all times be preserved”.

The letter was used as a legal instrument binding the Government to respect the status quo of land prior to independence.

As revealed by a report prepared by Robertson dated November 23, 1961, some people were advocating for an independent Coastal State before independence: “I recommend that if any system of regional or county administration is set up in Kenya, the Coast Province of Kenya should be one of the counties.”

In 1964, Kenyatta used his office to send signals to the international community that Kenya might renege on some commitments made before independence.

In his note reference “EXT 237/003A of March 25, 1964”, addressed to the Secretary General of the United Nations, Kenyatta informed the United Nations of his Government’s intention to review all pre-independence treaties and agreements and determine which of the pacts would be honoured, abrogated or modified after appropriate notice to interested parties.

Tracing the historical perspective of the land issue, the former CKRC commissioner, writes: “In 1895, the Sultan gave the British power to administer the ten-mile coastal strip subject to their respecting the existing Kadhi’s Courts, among other conditions. The British did so and declared a protectorate over the Coast while the rest of Kenya was a colony proper. The Sultan, however, retained sovereignty over the ten-mile Coastal Strip. During the last years of the independence struggle and at the start of the Lancaster House Constitutional talks in 1961, the status and fate of the coastal strip came up for determination.”


Still verifying this with other sources. But to all of those saying:

... the birth certificate was issued on Feb. 17, 1964 ...
... the "Republic of Kenya" didn't exist until Dec 12, 1964 ...
... "THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE'S GOTTA BE FAKE" ...

Just hold yer horses!

This story has a few more nuances than appears on the surface. Keep scratching ...

4,179 posted on 08/02/2009 7:52:48 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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