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To: sometime lurker
Appreciate your post. Really, I do, because the first version I heard of the first interview with this elderly lady went more than a minute past the initial statement at issue. I do not speak the language she was speaking so I asked a frind who had been on mission in Kenya among the Kukuyu(sp?) and some Luo. He said it sounds like she is saying she was at Barry's birth and that Barack senior had been in Hawaii going to school. There was a second interview done with this lady and in that interview she is reported to have recanted her statement and allowed herself to be herded to repeat several times that she was present when Barack senior was born.

Somehow the statement made in the second interview is now being cirulated as aprt of the first interview. I'm reminded of the libersal way 'fake but accurate'. Frankly, since I did not retain a copy of the first time I heard the first interview and asked my friend to translate it form the copy rasping over the Internet, I cannot make a definitive statement as to the veracity. But is is suspicious when two separate interviews are put together as if all from the first interview. And I was in fact wrong regarding Barack senior being her son. As you say, it is now clear that Barack senior was from another wife of the same husband. Odd that the other poster tried to claim birthers were trying to claim soemthing even he didn't realize. Or did he? What a mess! Thanks again for your clarifications.

5,493 posted on 08/03/2009 12:18:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
"As you say, it is now clear that Barack senior was from another wife of the same husband. Odd that the other poster tried to claim birthers were trying to claim soemthing even he didn't realize. Or did he? What a mess! Thanks again for your clarifications. "

I find this a little confusing too. I did a quick search to see how old Step-Grandmother Sarah is. In an article about the inauguration she was said to be 86. That would put "Mama Sarah's" birth at about 1923.

If we accept that the age given for BHO Senior on the "Kenyan certificate" is more or less correct at 26 when BHO Jr was born, then he was born in about 1935.

If indeed Mama Sarah, as wife #3, witnessed the birth of BHO Senior to wife #2 in 1935, she would have been about 12 years old. I don't know the marriage customs in Kenya at this time, and perhaps she truly was married at 12, but I wonder. Chronologically, it makes more sense to me that she would have been a wife and witness in 1961, at age 38, attending the birth of BHO Junior. At that age she would have been a mature woman and would have had the experience to be helpful at the birth of a baby. I don't doubt she might have married very young, but I would expect women attending a birth would be more mature.

One more item that doesn't add up quite as one might expect . . .

5,617 posted on 08/03/2009 1:45:51 PM PDT by Think free or die (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money - M.Thatcher)
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To: MHGinTN
Appreciate your post. Really, I do, because the first version I heard of the first interview with this elderly lady went more than a minute past the initial statement at issue. I do not speak the language she was speaking so I asked a frind who had been on mission in Kenya among the Kukuyu(sp?) and some Luo. He said it sounds like she is saying she was at Barry's birth and that Barack senior had been in Hawaii going to school. There was a second interview done with this lady and in that interview she is reported to have recanted her statement and allowed herself to be herded to repeat several times that she was present when Barack senior was born.

So far I've only found the one interview, three versions. In one version, it cuts off right after the translator says "Yes, she was there." In another version the beginning is identical but it continues with clarification that Obama was born in Hawaii, and then onto various pleasantries on the part of McRae, promising to visit her and to bring her a bible. The third version I've seen only as a transcript, which omits the clarification portion and goes right into the pleasantries after the "Yes, she was there."

If you know of a second, separate interview, I'd like to hear it. I've only seen the full one and the short version available as audio.

5,633 posted on 08/03/2009 1:57:44 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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