Obama Sr. was a citizen of the UK at Jr’s birth. At best Obama Jr. had dual citizenship (which by the letter of the law was not the case because his mother was too young). He cannot be a “natural born citazen” regardless of ths argument raging here. The real focus should be on his parentage. Was BHO Jr. an American citizen at birth? British? later Kenyan? Indonesian citizenship even later... This kind of divided loyalty at birth was exactly what the founders sought to avoid in the NBC phrase in article 2 of the Constitution.
This comment entered at the NBC site under Donofrio’s latest blog entry said it very well:
Kamira Says:
August 4, 2009 at 4:03 pm
LD wrote, “By weakening the natural born citizen check, we dangerously enlarge the pool of candidates who can be Commander In Chief or our armed forces.”
He’s reiterating the exact caution expressed during the constitutional debates of 1787. In a book we reviewed, out of Harvard no less, this was confirmed back then, in 1787, before the Constitution was even written, not just on this blog in 2009. Therefore, it’s not just an opinion, it’s fact.
“Gouverneur Morris closed the debate urging that they should govern themselves by reason and not by feelings, and not be polite at the expense of prudence. Foreigners would enjoy great privileges without office. He would not trust philosophical citizens of the world. The men who could shake off attachments to their own country could never love another. They had no means of knowing what legislatures would do.”
Here we see only one example, among the numerous found, that set limits and constraints upon citizens who could be eligible as governing officials. First, yes, you had to be a citizen. There we only three types:
1. Those who pledged their lives and sacred honor during the declaration of indepdence. On that day, July 4, 1776, millions of former British subjects became citizens of America; having been thrown out of British protection by the king and established their own independent sovereignty. It didn’t matter if you were a native of this country. You had to prove allegiance to only America or you weren’t a citizen, period.
2. The children, their heirs, are those born of those pledged citizens, who were the first natural-born citizens of the new nation once the Constitution was ratified, pulling all the individual states into one union of people. This distinction of people was the first to be created out of a concept of united ideas and principles. That Hawaiian health director is an idiot and so is that moron, Tarantino. Neither have studied U.S. history. It’s LIES.
3. Foreigners were to be naturalized before sanctioning their admittance into the union. They not only had to swear an oath to the republic ideas and principles, but disavow allegiance to any other. Even then, they were disenfranchised from ever holding office of the presidency. Some of the delegates didn’t want foreigners of any kind entering their councils. If you were legitimately born of a foreign father, that was it, partus sequitur patrem reigned (a child follows the nationality of the father) and you were deemed the nationality of your father. End of story. Get in the naturalization line if you wanted citizenship and THAT is what the framers held and was set in law.
A “citizen of the world”, if you read the early history, was defined as a person who looked upon favoring one nationality over another with DISDAIN. A “citizen of the world” looks at all nations equally, and has no attachment or preference for one over the other. This is what Obama says he is, a “citizen of the world”. It’s an oxymoron to say this and take a solemn oath to put this country’s interests above all others. The two sentiments don’t equate with each other.
But it is the ultimate oxymoron to call yourself a “natural-born citizen” when you clearly admit that you were born with dual-loyalties and then leave absolutely no doubt in anyone’s mind, when you call yourself an American citizen, however, you’re also a citizen of the world. Which is it Obama? You CANNOT be both!
This is the New World Order think, people. Get used to it, because even Obama no longer calls it that – he calls it THE World Order. It’s not even new think anymore, it’s here. This “order” wants to do away with national identities and create a world identity and it’s not based on the sovereign concept of liberty and freedom. It’s based on rulers where only the elite have power and you are just a pawn in the scheme of everything else.
This is what you stand to lose in the warning quoted above. You are in the midst of standing in the face of people who are counting on the fact that you are ignorant of your history that gives you the right to question who and where he came from and the bag of socialist crap they are trying to ram down your throat. If you don’t question it now, you will either lose your liberty by rolling over in favor of these foreign agendas, or possibly die fighting for your freedom all over again if you don’t question the election process now and get involved in the next election to come.
We are one united people. We aren’t born out of aristocracy, oligarchy or ruled by monarchs. We are each a sovereign entity who inherited the freedom of a nation born upon the principles of a republic, not socialism.
Remember something, socialists weren’t even allowed to become citizens in our early history. Considering that, ask yourself how Roger Calero even got on the 2008 ballot. Foreign-born, foreign-bred AND a self-proclaimed socialist. They were barred as being unfriendly to republican principles. That was a matter of law, not opinion. Obama gets into office and within less than a year, he has put the auto industry, the banks and now wants your own health care, under government control. Next WILL be your guns. Then they will take your children and force them into involuntary servitude to police THIS country (The National Civil Service program). This isn’t a scare tactic. These are his policies! That’s tyranny. That’s socialism. He should be impeached based on pre-existing law handed down from the edicts found in the constitutional debates. Obama is not friendly to republican principles, neither is his entire administration. They may call themselves democrats, but that’s a lie. They are socialists with foreign ideas intent on taking down this republic.
Wake up America. You still have the power to remain free, but you have to take an interest in your freedom first. Don’t cry later if you did nothing and lose it. That is what is at stake here. Stop allowing idiots to lie to your face when the facts are easily confirmed right in a good history book. [http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/04/the-dangerous-precedent-set-by-obama-being-president/#comments]
Welcome to FR. Nice first post.
Charm, wit and levity
will win you in the start
but in the end it’s brevity
that keeps the public’s heart
That is how my great grandfather received his citizenship in the 1850s at age 11. The whole family took an oath of allegience on the ship from Ireland in Philadelphia Harbor. Then, he took it again when he joined the Army at Ft. Sumpter after he was 21. My other ancestors just came her -- 1607, Jamestowne and 1632 New Sweden (now Philadelphia). So, they were all here and citizens at the time of the Revolution. But, the most recent immigrant took his oath of allegience as a child in the harbor before the boat docked. At least that's what the family stories say.