Posted on 01/26/2011 5:57:29 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
Why didn’t Abercrombie say he had found the birth certificate?
How about official communications from officials who accidentally reveal that what they have for Obama is not legally valid?
Of course not, curiosity. No one here is capable of harboring such a deep, impenetrable thought.
Don't you know all Birthers are dumbasses, ripe for being played like fiddles by their intellectually superior socialist overlords while Internet trolls mock their brainpower?
Dang! Now I am distracted.
Guess I’ll never have time now to notice Obama is destroying America !!!
In most states the short form BC is an abreviated version of the long form BC, but in Hawaii it may or may not be an abreviated version of a long form birth certificate. Those born in foreign countries could obtain a short form Hawaiian Birth certificate. Hawaii is different in this regard to other states. The Hawaiian statutes have been posted in this forum and others numerous times and may even be available currently on their own website. While a birth was announced in the Hawaiian newspaper, any grandparent or relative could have called the newspaper and requested this announcement just like countless other grandparents did when their grandchildren were born out of state, so others in their town would know they had become grandparents. This was quite popular to do in the 1950’s and 1960’s and most newspapers would do it for free. Also there are at least two different short form birth certificates that have been posted, one on Obama’s website and the other on the daily KOS, and both have been found by forensic experts to be forged documents. There is just too much conflicting information out there for me to be able to know for certain just where he was born.
That said, I grew up in the 1960’s and I was taught about the “natural born citizen clause” at three different schools I attended. I was taught that in order two be a “natural born citizen” you had to be born in the United States and have two parents that were citizens at the time of your birth. Since Obama claims his father was born in Kenya and was a British subject, Obama would not be a “natural born citizen”. Furthermore under the law in existence when Obama was born his mother could not have conferred U.S. citizenship on her son if he was born outside of the United states as Obaman’s Kenyan grandmother has attested.
When there's a long form on file, it's always just an abbreviated version of the long form.
Those born in foreign countries could obtain a short form Hawaiian Birth certificate.
Not in 1961. The law you are referring to wasn't passed until 1982.
While a birth was announced in the Hawaiian newspaper, any grandparent or relative could have called the newspaper and requested this announcement just like countless other grandparents did when their grandchildren were born out of state, so others in their town would know they had become grandparents.
Incorrect. The Hawaii papers affirmed that they only published birth announcements based on information they received directly from the Health Department (called Health Bureau in those days).
This was quite popular to do in the 1950’s and 1960’s and most newspapers would do it for free.
Not the Hawaii papers that announced Bambi's birth.
Also there are at least two different short form birth certificates that have been posted, one on Obama’s website and the other on the daily KOS,
Nope. It was the same document.
and both have been found by forensic experts to be forged documents.M
Wrong again.
That said, I grew up in the 1960’s and I was taught about the “natural born citizen clause” at three different schools I attended. I was taught that in order two be a “natural born citizen” you had to be born in the United States and have two parents that were citizens at the time of your birth.
You either have a bad memory or you are lying. From the time of the Kim Wong Ark decision until Nov. of 2008, no one used that definition in the United States.
I don't believe you. Have you got a source?
We can question ‘friends’ and online postings, but that can be said also of the COLB posted by the Obama campaign.
However, the same cannot be said by an official statement from the last Hawaii public health director stating, in no uncertain terms, that there is a long form on record.
Producing a birth certificate is no big deal, and not too much to ask of any individual who wishes to serve as President of the United States, Commander in Chief of its Armed Forces, occupant of the Oval Office and White House, and primary passenger on Air Force One and Marine One. That position, its perks and security, costs the U.S. taxpayers in the billions of dollars and authorizes the holder to send our sons and daughters into harm’s way. We have a right to know that the office holder is eligible.
The COLB and the statements by Hawaii officals already prove he is eligible.
To mess with your mind and encourage more conspiracy theorizing.
He didn't say that, either. Yet another birther myth has been born.
COUGH IT UP, Barry Soweto~!
Given that the previous health director explictly said the long form was in the state's records, I'd say you are wrong.
If you have not been proven eligible for the highest office of the land, you are INELIGIBLE.
The COLB he posted, along with the corroborating statements from the previous Hawaii public health director, are all sufficient to prove his eligibility.
Each manual typewriter has its own indivdual characteristics. They’d have to find one of the typewriters in use in the HI DoH at that time, not just the same make or style, but one of the exact ones that was in use.
Plus every file, archive, ledger and so on would have to be “fixed”.
Not very likely.
We shouldn’t have to scrape up his old college buddies to find out if he actually attended school in the first place!
Obama invites all this with the unprecedented secrecy surrounding his background- be it BC, school records, passport records, what have you. That- and a habitual dishonesty that’s really quite unsettling, when you consider this guy can send your son off to get killed.
Those asking questions have every right to... I just wish a few more had asked some in October 2008 instead of now
You’re either being paid, or you forgot/OD’ed on your meds.
No other explanation.
Serious? One official says she has seen it, and that is good enough for you? Are you voting for Rahm for mayor of Chicago too?
And you believe that COLB? It’s fraudulent. I am not sure of the reason it’s fraudulent, but it’s apparent that his friend the new Gov could NOT find a real BC, so where would the short form come from? There is talk now that he was adopted by Soetoro and perhaps there is something in the archives about Barry Soetoro, not Barack Obama? I don’t know. But there is extensive proof online that the COLB is not legit.
How sad is it that this was a clearly known fact and NO ONE IN THE MEDIA, not even Sean or Rush, openly wondered if having a Kenyan father disqualified him from being a NBC?
the obatroll is working overtime today!
Anybody who thinks that making statements like that to “mess with my mind and encourage more conspiracy theorizing” would reflect well on a guy who is supposed to be credible and leading the State of Hawaii.... is more nuts than anybody he tries to frame.
If this is the kind of mind-game sh!t the American public accepts from our elected leaders, then we deserve everything we’re getting.
Rates right up there with doctors who would tell you that you have inoperable terminal cancer, put you through the chemo and radiation..... and then tell you it was all a joke to see if you would believe them.
Real funny. Ha ha. You’re cracking me up, Abercrombie.
There are some things that are above those Lilliputian games, and the nation’s security, the rule of law, the credibility of government, and the US Constitution are just a few.
I don’t believe for a minute that that’s what’s going on. I just want you to see just how sick all your claims appear to the sane people in this world - many of whom are waking up to see the problems and discrepancies we “birthers” have been talking about, because of Abercrombie’s bumbling around.
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