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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sometimes you just have to hoist the black flag and start cutting throats someone said...Heinlein I think?

We are not all one people now or ever. Nor are we only Republican and Democrat or Whig and Democrat or city or country or whatever the alliances call themselves today.

Take a quick read of........snip “An illuminating history of North America’s eleven rival cultural regions that explodes the red state-blue state myth.

North America was settled by people with distinct religious, political, and ethnographic characteristics, creating regional cultures that have been at odds with one another ever since. Subsequent immigrants didn’t confront or assimilate into an “American” or “Canadian” culture, but rather into one of the eleven distinct regional ones that spread over the continent each staking out mutually exclusive territory......illustrates and explains why “American” values vary sharply from one region to another. Woodard reveals how intranational differences have played a pivotal role at every point in the continent’s history, from the American Revolution and the Civil War to the tumultuous sixties and the “blue county/red county” maps of recent presidential elections. American Nations is a revolutionary and revelatory take on America’s myriad identities and how the conflicts between them have shaped our past and are molding our future.”

http://www.amazon.com/American-Nations-History-Regional-Cultures/dp/0670022969/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1332386779&sr=1-6

In here lay all the answers to many of your questions and arguments.

I view the Battle Flag as a war trophy and I can do anything I damn well want with it.....and I chose to fly it because I am the rebel this time. I had family on both sides and KNOW both were the losers as the sad state of our nation shows today.

The South should have freed the slaves and THEN declared independence as Longstreet says in Killer Angels. The CW is is all theater played against the background of today’s race baiters. Grant owned slaves until 1863.....Lee freed his in 1862. Jefferson Davis adopted a black son, Abe Lincoln wanted to ship them all back to Africa as they were in his mind too stupid to co-exist with whites.....tell me who was right? Both? Neither?

Some of the South seceded to protect their slave interests. However.....Virgina, Arkansas, Tennessee, and NC didn’t secede UNTIL April AFTER Lincoln called up troops to INVADE his own country. Again. Right? Wrong?

The telescope of history collapses men and events and almost always hides the truth with lies convenient to the age in which they are told.


15 posted on 03/21/2012 8:54:57 PM PDT by Lowell1775
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To: Lowell1775
The South should have freed the slaves and THEN declared independence as Longstreet says in Killer Angels.

Which was impossible for the rebels after they adopted their constitution.

Article I Section 9(4) - No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

In other words, slavery can never be abolished. Not by the confederate government, not by the individual states.

This constitution was adopted on March 11, 1861. On February 19, 1861 Alexander II abolished serfdom in the Russian Empire - not, I might note, a bastion of progress in the 19th Century. Someone was going in the wrong direction, and it wasn't the Russians.

26 posted on 03/22/2012 3:31:53 AM PDT by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: Lowell1775
Abe Lincoln wanted to ship them all back to Africa as they were in his mind too stupid to co-exist with whites

Not true. The bastard with the tall hat wanted to ship some of "them" to Haiti also, not just Liberia.

68 posted on 03/25/2012 9:30:57 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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