Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Fantasywriter,
You are spot on, what could anyone do with unknown parents?
Even if the unknown parents were not us citizens, how does that help anything when there’s no contemporaneous docs?
From the 04/11/08 article in the Kenyan newspaper “The Standard”:
“Obama Snr —Index No 3422— joined the school with his elder brother, Joseph, who left in 1951 for unexplained reasons.”
The reporter, John Oywa, does not attribute this aside comment about a brother Joseph in the article to Mr. Mangla Okanda or anyone else, as it is not in quotes. Oywa quotes several people in the article NONE of whom claim to have had personal memory of BHO Sr. or his alleged brother. No index card number is given for the brother.
Mr. Paul Otula was the current principal and he is reported as telling the reporter (not quoted) that BHO Sr. went straight to the US from Maseno, which would expunge Sr.’s year in Mombasa c 1953-54 and all of Sr.’s time in Nairobi from 1954 to 1959 where he met and married Kezia and fathered two children all of which is the cross-corroborated evidence from multiple documents, pictures and witnesses.
Against the solid evidence that BHO Sr had NO older brother and did NOT leave directly from Maseno to the US we have a hearsay non-quote from a non-witness principal 55 years after the fact.
No competent forensic investigator would give any weight to any non-corroborated information in this article.
Thanks, WH57, & thanks Carp for the clarification in 12000. It was appreciated.
I wanted to ask you both if you happened to see the report by the Baptist missionaries, posted on TheBirtherReport. Some missionaries on a recent trip to Kenya said that on several occasions people mentioned to them, quite matter of factly, that Obama was born in a particular Kenyan village. It’s a very interesting post. If you haven’t seen it, it’s worth a look.
One thing I think we can all agree with is that ‘dreams’ is a mishmash of info, given that its ghostwritten by Ayers.
Add “choom” induced smoke, and there’s a lot of obfuscation being done by 0 supporters, even back then.
Fantasywriter, can you find the link?
Interesting!
Glad to do it, WH57:
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2013/05/kenyans-tell-americans-obama-born-in-kenya.html
Another example of reporters getting things mixed up.
Omar, yusuf, and a couple full siblings of theirs are from Obama SR ‘s dad’s OTHER wife.
(Note to self: think in quadruplicate when looking at that Obama family tree on the dads side :0
Remember: sequential wives, not concurrent wives :0 :0)
Many thanks, F.W.!
Seizethecarp, FredNerks, brown deer
crossposting from another thread to illustrate the importance of ALL Old us coming together against the enemy ; who is IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3018624/posts?page=4#4
To: Kevin in California
There was an Obama/Muslim Brotherhood bargain —we The Ones We’ve Been Waiting For want influence in the middle east that emerges in the future,while you religious guys want your secular,corrupt leaders gone:
So you promise to be our future friends,and with US weapons we’ll help you to make your dreams come true.
Kaaaaay...?
THAT is why his Cairo speech was,“A New Beginning”.
THAT is why Hillary’s GF is high up in the Muslim Brotherhood.
THAT is why the current Director of Central Intelligence is a Muslim,and to make sure Barak doesn’t later get cold feet THAT is why his DC company got the goods on his passport data,then killed the guy who did it.
Remember how Barak wrote in his book that he sometimes felt like he was a revolutionary operating behind enemy lines?
Well he STILL is.
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Any competent forensic investigator would know how to read and not make ignorant false claims about a principal being interviewed!
“When was Stanley Ann Dunham ever known as ‘Anna Toot’?”
From the All Africa newspaper article:
“According to the family, Obama’s father travelled to America to study at the University of Hawaii in 1959. While there, he worked for an oil company and married his second wife, a white woman, named Anna Toot, and their union produced Barack Obama Jr.”
The family is mostly illiterate, particularly Sarah, or were small children of Sarah 50 years ago. They obviously conflated Anna and Toot. The article clearly reports Anna being the c. 1961 white mother of Barry (who would be light-skinned) whom they recognize as the current POTUS, spawn of BHO Sr., not a baby swapped in from Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf.
I am being challenged on the identity of “Anna Toot” because the Mal-Val narrative requires that she NOT be Stanley Ann Dunham.
Any child of BHO Sr. and a white “Anna Toot” would obviously not be the black as coal Roman Obama, as the Mal-Val Narrative posits, a claim supported NO evidence, witnesses or coherent narrative of any kind.
According to the Mal-Val Narrative, magic baby Roman Obama is born “the original BHO II” from a secret marriage in Hawaii in late 1960.
Roman is intimated repeatedly on this thread to have an Asian mother named Anne seen sitting next to Sr. at the Nachmanoff party picture or standing next to him in the dock picture. Somehow, Roman is black as coal 100% African, not half-Asian in appearance.
According to Mal-Val, Baby Roman is taken to Seattle by January 1961 where he is the baby babysat by Mary Toutonghi (distant cousin by marriage of Valerie Sarruf) and that date is fixed SOLELY by Mary’s 50-year-old memory of how old in months her daughter was when she specifically babysat for Stanley Ann and her mixed-race baby Barry.
But to make the Mal-Val Narrative work, Mary must fail to remember that it was a different Anna, Asian “Anna Toot” (not Stanley Ann) whose very black baby, baby Roman, is the baby that she babysat in Seattle.
According to Mal-Val Roman lost his name, BHO II, to baby PUTUS Barry in the GREAT BABY SWAP OF 1963. That is when Stanley Ann first shows up in Hawaii. She was entrusted for no apparent reason with the son of Malcolm X (an Islamist Black separatist) and Valerie Sarruf a white looking Lebanese Christian.
After the BABY SWAP, Roman and his mom supposedly go to the Philippines in 1964...long enough for the INS FOIA comment mentioning his mom there as “a wife in the Philippines.”
Then Roman’s mom disappears from the narrative and Roman goes immediately and inexplicably to Kenya in 1964 with BHO Sr. where he is raised by Ruth Baker as her own (also inexplicably) and poses in a picture somewhere along the way together with the newly named baby POTUS Barry!
But it is possible to place Barry and Roman together for a picture in this narrative in 1963 if Roman comes back to HI from WA. But their claimed birth separation of a year does not match the 2.5 to 3.5 year apparent age separation of the darker boy (Mark) and his younger brother (David) in the claimed picture.
There you go again, reading things that are not in the article. WHERE DOES IT STATE THAT “ANNA TOOT” is “STANLEY ANN DUNHAM”?
It doesn’t. You again, are dreaming up fantasies!
Might as well give it up, the resident obstructionists are here to prevent us posting anything from our research, if it doesn’t follow the fairy-tale in dreams or showing on forged documents, it’s not real.
I’m receiving private messages telling me that what I am posting is most interesting - I would have liked to go on, I would like nothing better than to show what an interesting story looks like, and finally bring this sorry tale to a conclusion, but not with the monster door-stops that pop up with no other motive than to prevent anything other than their conspiracy theories being given the light of day; that the KGB paid for a voyage to Kenya for the model who posed for exotic images for Frank Marshall Davis to hide her pregnancy and she brought the child back to Madelyn to be cared for. Or Stanley Armour had an affair with a black barmaid in Honolulu and brought their offspring back to Madelyn to, like it was a stray cat. Is there anything you would like to add to that, Seethecrap?
BD, don’t let him make you angry, he would like nothing better than to see you banned or suspended.
“According to statements made by Barack Obama in June of 1962, he had been away from Kenya for seven years.”
A reporter wrote that in one article. Again, not a quote. Again totally uncorroborated and actually contradicted by ALL available documents, witnesses and pictures.
“that the KGB paid for a voyage to Kenya for the model who posed for exotic images for Frank Marshall Davis to hide her pregnancy and she brought the child back to Madelyn to be cared for. Or Stanley Armour had an affair with a black barmaid in Honolulu and brought their offspring back to Madelyn to, like it was a stray cat.”
For the record, since FN continues to post false claims about me:
I have never claimed that any of those were supported by any evidence. I never concluded that the nude model was Stanley Ann, although I will admit to staring at the pictures long and hard! I never ever remotely thought the black barmaid and Gramps speculation was plausible.
See what I mean? If it’s written in black and white in an article he doesn’t like, it has to be a mistake. But Stanley Ann Dunham posing in the nude for Frank Marshall Davis and having the images appear in magazines published in 1958, when she was 16 years old and still at high school somewhere, that was no problem.
I’m going to have to do what I promised myself, close down and shut the heck up, because he’ll drive me to saying something he can use to either have the entire thread wiped, or get me banned. Life’s too short to deal with yucky people like that.
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