INSTANT BABY
I don't think he was meant to be 'someone big in Indonesia' - I think he was meant to be looked after by friends of his father's in Indonesia. But his father was killed and Sukarno was deposed.
Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
In the August 1961 application for extension a variant of his wife's name, Ann S. Dunham, is used conclusively linking her to BHO Sr. There is no trace of any other Ann Dunham associated with BHO Sr. in HI in 1961.
In the April 27, 1964 McKean memo, he says “Harvard thinks he's married to someone in Kenya and someone in Honolulu...” above where the Philippines is mentioned. But the INS official doesn't note the implication of having more than one US wife at that point, but only in the handwritten portion when an additional wife in Cambridge, MA is suspected by Harvard (doubtless Ruth Baker whose parents were calling Harvard and INS to get BHO Sr. deported).
Although BHO Sr. was given notice of an impending divorce hearing and he signed the return receipt, there is no evidence that he received confirmation that the divorce was granted or filed, so he might not have received notice that he was divorced.
IMO, BHO Sr., known to dissemble, could have been trying to put off having INS contact Stanley Ann in HI by telling them she was in the Philippines. It is not clear whether Sr. actually is the source of the word “Philippines” in the written note, or if that came from. It could be from the file, from an interview with Sr. or from a Harvard official. The preceding sentence says “After alien stated he was married, he said they were separated and they might be getting a divorce.” It is not clear that the speculation about the wife in the Philippines was a continuation of BHO Sr. making statements.
In any case, there is zero documentary corroboration of any US citizen wife other then Stanley Ann Dunham that I have seen.
Start slowly. There might have been a marriage of convenience. FMD was the character you went to if you wanted to remain in the country, remember? He was in charge of THE COMMITTEE FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE FOREIGN BORN. Stanley Armour we are told was his friend, although there's little real record of them together. One of our group made an interesting observation...there are people who are willingly complicit, and there are people who were probably not even aware...SAD may not have known she was married to the kenyan - or money changed hands. Either is possible.
And why didn't he write the name of his own son on that form? Let me guess. IF ZERO had been taken to Indonesia as BHO2. What might you do if you were the kenyan?
So you think that perhaps mentioning the PI had nothing to do with Anna Obama's origins, or anything else, just to get others off the scent.
If that child was destined to go to Indonesia due to the MX-Sukarno friendship which existed right up until the assassination, (MX was planning to attend the 10th anniversary of the BANDUNG CONFERENCE but didn't make it) then it wasn't meant to be known where he was taken.
Hmm. What about SAD's passport wherein it is mentioned something about going to the PI? Does that have anything to do with anything in this regard?
Maybe, maybe not. She went there for a week in 1986 iirc. Perhaps ANNA was a Filipino, who knows?
That sounds logical. I was actually positing questions that anyone might have, wondering about this whole nest of bits of string tied together.
That also explains why the nice family photo of “Lolo” (or whoever he is), SAD, Zero and instant Baby is so incredibly shopped and that there are very few other photos of Zero and SAD in Indo. And there is that very interesting photo of Zero and a whole ‘nother Indonesian family.
I’m also divesting my cup of the idea that SAD only starting caretaking the child around the time of the chain link fence photo.
Thanks. Yes, it seems very clear that the child was meant to be someone big in Indonesia. But changes in regimes made that impossible.
IIRC Zero has said he doesn’t know Bahasa but I bet he is lying...
right...and if you want to do the readers a favour, give them a link to the Indonesian fake photo story...if there had ever been an Indonesian family that included the characters the myth wants us to think it did...they wouldn’t have played the ‘instant baby’ tricks.
I’m weary of it.
INSTANT BABY
I don't think he was meant to be 'someone big in Indonesia' - I think he was meant to be looked after by friends of his father's in Indonesia. But his father was killed and Sukarno was deposed.
Okay, I guess his ideas of being president of Indonesia were either fabricated somewhere along the line or mere childhood who knows what.
So I guess the grooming for a high position started later.
(I was going to search for the photos but my internet is devilish slow the last couple of days.)
Lia, who died suddenly tells the story that he used to write down the speeches of the current dictator and repeat them word for word, forcing her to listen to him. But then, she died suddenly...just before zero’s visit to Indonesia...
OF CHOLESTEROL.
His command of the language must have been rather good, to be able to do that...
Thinking about why a lot of people just don’t get the connections in the info that’s been posted over the last few years.
It’s like not just one Russian novel, but a trilogy, or series, of international intrigue, gigantic network of nefarious actors, huge criminal enterprise, spanning a couple of generations (or three), several continents, huge funds involved, various subplots, with a mixed genre of murder mystery, spy thriller, historical tragedy and probably a couple of more.
I think it needs to be put into a narrative with things spelled out (as much as is known). Really.
Yes, that’s what I was referring to. I think he also stated (if it was Lia and she was accurate) that he wanted to become president of Indonesia.
Oh, if only that had happened...
signing off
Thanks for all your comments and input.
It is difficult for me to keep up with all the twists and turns so would you be so kind as to inform me to what truth Virginia accidentally told? Thanks in advance.
bookmark
Because that's the topic of the thread; you can see it in the title of the thread.
Straying off the topic of a thread is generally considered trolling.
Fred Nerks, I found this statement of yours to go to the heart of the difficulty in following the narrative:SAD probably did visit Susan with a child, it wasn’t hers. Someone maybe attended the U of WA, but it wasn’t Stanley Ann Dunham. And the person who attended the U of HI would have been the ANN S OBAMA (student) shown in the Polk. And she wasn’t Stanley Ann Dunham either.
little jeremiah, as you point out (and it's good to periodically remind ourselves) Stanley Ann Dunham holding Barack Hussein Obama Jr. on the fence is the first photographic record connecting the two--except perhaps the photo in Muhammad Speaks subtitled The Young Listened depicting a white brunette woman holding a baby which might be the young Barry.
Abrit, at 306 you lament a lack of progress.
Brown Deer, at 349 you show BHO to be the Twelve-Million-Dollar Man. Inflation has doubled the cost of the science fiction project of television's DARPA building a bionic man. Now we have a Photoshop president.
Greenperson, at 338 you show that the official propaganda is full of sound and fury, and signifies precisely nothing.
Fred Nerks returns at 375 with un petit epiphany vis-a-vis the Indonesian Shuffle.
Boz Skaggs performed the Lido Shuffle at the Allen Theater in Cleveland in 1974. The child of two persons who wished to remain anonymous was likely moved to place him in the protectorship of a friendly Indonesian leader.
As you describe, Fred Nerks, in both 375 and 380, summarizing with:
Well, you could try looking at it this way, if that photograph out of ‘Muhammad Speaks’ is her and zero, then she was the nanny, and she was paid to take him to Indonesia as soon as she could achieve custody, for which she needed a divorce, after FMD had married her off to the kenyan on paper so that he had a better chance of getting to Harvard, the money for which he came into rather suddenly, after working at the pine-apple cannery for a buck-something an hour...for a WHOLE MONTH!
I indicated at 342 that John Brennan former CIA Deputy Executive Director and Obama's first pick for Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) was CEO of The Analysis Corporation when its employee accessed Obama's passport file.
Is there a causal link. Brennan is a donor, an asset, doing the necessary work to preserve the legend.
In the case of Valerie Plame her legend was so valuable as to bring about a special prosecutor and a witch hunt resulting in no violation of the intelligence law but only a mere minor procedural infraction, a faulty memory.
Imagine the importance of maintaining the intricate illusion of Obama the son of the Kenyan and the Kansan.
Pure bunk.
Imagine the fiery advocate of a generalized Mau Mau applying hands-on organizing in the Seattle area for Nation of Islam Mosque Number 67.
It is 1960 the year after his trip to the Middle East.
He has made new friends.
His mother was Fred Delano Newman’s little sister according to this:
Gnarly Carly said...
He’s not just allied with them, it is his bloodline. Dreams of my Father has nothing to do with Obama Sr. He didn’t even know that man. Bari Malik Shabazz was born shortly after his father’s death. His mother was 16 yrs old and had been having an affair with a married man who was shot and killed. Her brother’s name was Fredrick Delano. Newman, a Marxist cult leader in the Bronx, who helped raise young Bari and set him up to live with a family in his cult who had a daughter about the same age as his sister, Bari’s mother. They took him in and were very active in the communist/marxist movement. Uncle Fred sent Frank Marshall Davis and others to groom and mentor the boy until he was an adult. Frank and Bari’s father (before he was killed) had ties in Kenya, and ties to rich muslim leaders across the globe. They all hailed little Bari as a “messiah” or “the one” because of who his father was. When Bari was in his 20s, he was issued a Quantico address and killed. (The death was verified by only one person: Rev. White) That very same day, young Bari was given a new identity and a SSN that once belonged to a Columbia graduate. (Not sure where he ended up). Uncle Fred’s anti American muslim leaders across the globe agreed to finance his nephew’s Harvard education, as they had big plans for this boy, because of who his father was. Even with a SSN that had attended Columbia, the Saudis had to pay Harvard millions of dollars to get him in, and a couple more million to make him head of the Law Review.
The boy’s new name was Barack Hussein Obama, and his father’s name is Malcom Little, who chose the name Malik Shabazz as his muslim name, but Elijah Muhammad wouldn’t let him take that name, so he called himself Malcom X. It’s fact. There is tons of proof, and much of it you guys are finding on your own. It just needs to be put together to expose the big picture.
Note: Eric Holder is also from the same town in NY, and attended Sty High and Columbia Univ with the owner of the SSN.
http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/barack-obama-is-allied-with-new-black.html
Nudge
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
